Continuation of the discussion on one who died upon shirk (associating partners with Allah) while ignorant, and whether he should be prayed for. The Shaykh also spoke on the ruling of one who says
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The Shaykh: Like you wish, "the one who doesn't come with you, come with him."
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh: I told, I told, I am speaking about your grandfather, whom you do not know and have not heard anything about.
The questioner : I heard about what he was ... .
The Shaykh : And your grandfather's grandfather?
The questioner: I am not speaking about my grandfather's grandfather, I am speaking about my grandfather and my father.
The Shaykh: If I made a mistake, I am now transferring the question from your grandfather to your grandfather's grandfather, you also say what you wanted to say about your grandfather, this is not permissible, and we will keep going back until we reach Adam (peace be upon him). You should, Professor, broaden your suspicions.
The questioner: Now, my professor, one says La ilaha illa Allah (there is no god but Allah), and says, O Badawi?
The Shaykh : Careful, careful, careful. We are talking about someone we know testifies that there is no god but Allah, and we do not know that he has committed disbelief in practice or belief, despite the testimony that there is no god but Allah.
The questioner : I agree with you on ten points.
The Shaykh: No, you are not with me.
The questioner : If you know that he used to pronounce it at every moment.
The Shaykh : Professor, the issue is only about someone whose state you do not know. Do you know the state of your grandfather?
The questioner: ... Most people are upon this shirk (associating partners with Allah), even if they say they are Muslims.
The Shaykh: As you know, may Allah bless you,[An-Nisa 4:171] If you see a person saying La ilaha illa Allah (there is no god but Allah), then worshipping other than Allah, that is one thing. And if you know that this person's father used to say La ilaha illa Allah (there is no god but Allah), and you did not witness from him what you witnessed from his son, [Al-An'am 6:164], and therefore I was surprised when you speak about your grandfather and say I do not pray for him, Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah).
The questioner: ... my father
The Shaykh: No, they are not the same, because a rose may lack a thorn, and a thorn may lack a rose.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The summary, let us return to the picture you want us to discuss: a man testifies that there is no god but Allah, prays, fasts, performs Hajj to the House of Allah the Sacred, and everything is good, but O Faisal, save me, O Badawi, such and such, help, and so on. This is shirk (associating partners with Allah), this is kufr (disbelief), yes... and I am speaking, hey, I came with you, it is not you coming with me. I left the research I started, in order to fold the research and shorten it, I jumped directly to this which we saw, calling for aid other than Allah (Mighty and Majestic). Do we say about this that he is a murtadd (apostate) from his religion? I of course do not say likeThe Shaykh : al-Banna, he jumped directly from the ladder from bottom to top. First we seek forgiveness for him, this is for later, we seek forgiveness for him. We say, did this person become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Excuse me, we do not want to go off on a tangent, may Allah bless you. A word, and the best of speech is what is little and instructive, may Allah forgive you. You have absolute freedom, according to the knowledge you have, to say he became a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, or he did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion. You say what you see, as for...
The questioner: He did not become a murtadd (apostate) and he committed shirk (associating partners with Allah).
The Shaykh: Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah), I say he committed the act of shirk (associating partners with Allah), so teach me with what? Do not teach me with anything, you only say that he committed shirk (associating partners with Allah). I am the one who decided this, so I do not need you to repeat what I said.
The questioner: He did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion.
The Shaykh: This is the answer, may Allah bless you. Well, this is a very important issue. So, since you cannot say that this one who testifies with his tongue that there is no god but Allah, prays, faces our qiblah (direction of prayer), and eats from our slaughter, and so on, since you cannot say he became a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, this is the truth that I know from you, and neither you nor anyone else can say otherwise. In that case, this one who did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, what is his religion? What is the religion he did not become a murtadd (apostate) from? Islam. So, what is he? A Muslim. Well, and how is this Muslim treated? By the actions of Muslims or apostates? Of course, by the actions of Muslims. So, if this person dies, his children inherit from him. Do we pray for him? We pray for him. The matter is finished. Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah), pray for him, why not? Since he is a Muslim, and his family inherits from him, and he inherits from those who died before him, and since we pray for him, O Allah, keep us firm upon Your religion. For whom do you pray, and you are his dutiful son? You also give charity on his behalf.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh: I told, I told, I am speaking about your grandfather, whom you do not know and have not heard anything about.
The questioner : I heard about what he was ... .
The Shaykh : And your grandfather's grandfather?
The questioner: I am not speaking about my grandfather's grandfather, I am speaking about my grandfather and my father.
The Shaykh: If I made a mistake, I am now transferring the question from your grandfather to your grandfather's grandfather, you also say what you wanted to say about your grandfather, this is not permissible, and we will keep going back until we reach Adam (peace be upon him). You should, Professor, broaden your suspicions.
The questioner: Now, my professor, one says La ilaha illa Allah (there is no god but Allah), and says, O Badawi?
The Shaykh : Careful, careful, careful. We are talking about someone we know testifies that there is no god but Allah, and we do not know that he has committed disbelief in practice or belief, despite the testimony that there is no god but Allah.
The questioner : I agree with you on ten points.
The Shaykh: No, you are not with me.
The questioner : If you know that he used to pronounce it at every moment.
The Shaykh : Professor, the issue is only about someone whose state you do not know. Do you know the state of your grandfather?
The questioner: ... Most people are upon this shirk (associating partners with Allah), even if they say they are Muslims.
The Shaykh: As you know, may Allah bless you,
O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth.
يا أهل الكتاب لا تغلوا في دينكم ولا تقولوا على الله إلا الحقand no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another
فلا تزروا وازرة وزر أخرىThe questioner: ... my father
The Shaykh: No, they are not the same, because a rose may lack a thorn, and a thorn may lack a rose.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: The summary, let us return to the picture you want us to discuss: a man testifies that there is no god but Allah, prays, fasts, performs Hajj to the House of Allah the Sacred, and everything is good, but O Faisal, save me, O Badawi, such and such, help, and so on. This is shirk (associating partners with Allah), this is kufr (disbelief), yes... and I am speaking, hey, I came with you, it is not you coming with me. I left the research I started, in order to fold the research and shorten it, I jumped directly to this which we saw, calling for aid other than Allah (Mighty and Majestic). Do we say about this that he is a murtadd (apostate) from his religion? I of course do not say likeThe Shaykh : al-Banna, he jumped directly from the ladder from bottom to top. First we seek forgiveness for him, this is for later, we seek forgiveness for him. We say, did this person become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion?
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: Excuse me, we do not want to go off on a tangent, may Allah bless you. A word, and the best of speech is what is little and instructive, may Allah forgive you. You have absolute freedom, according to the knowledge you have, to say he became a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, or he did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion. You say what you see, as for...
The questioner: He did not become a murtadd (apostate) and he committed shirk (associating partners with Allah).
The Shaykh: Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah), I say he committed the act of shirk (associating partners with Allah), so teach me with what? Do not teach me with anything, you only say that he committed shirk (associating partners with Allah). I am the one who decided this, so I do not need you to repeat what I said.
The questioner: He did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion.
The Shaykh: This is the answer, may Allah bless you. Well, this is a very important issue. So, since you cannot say that this one who testifies with his tongue that there is no god but Allah, prays, faces our qiblah (direction of prayer), and eats from our slaughter, and so on, since you cannot say he became a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, this is the truth that I know from you, and neither you nor anyone else can say otherwise. In that case, this one who did not become a murtadd (apostate) from his religion, what is his religion? What is the religion he did not become a murtadd (apostate) from? Islam. So, what is he? A Muslim. Well, and how is this Muslim treated? By the actions of Muslims or apostates? Of course, by the actions of Muslims. So, if this person dies, his children inherit from him. Do we pray for him? We pray for him. The matter is finished. Subhan Allah (Glory be to Allah), pray for him, why not? Since he is a Muslim, and his family inherits from him, and he inherits from those who died before him, and since we pray for him, O Allah, keep us firm upon Your religion. For whom do you pray, and you are his dutiful son? You also give charity on his behalf.
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