What is the Shaykh's guidance regarding the division of the Salafis into two groups on the issue of declaring someone a disbeliever and the excuse of ignorance, and the detailing of that?
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The questioner : I am not one of those who declare people disbelievers, and praise be to Allah before and after. But, Shaykh, this discussion increases our knowledge in understanding the responses to these doubts. I am speaking from reality; these doubts are found among the youth, so the Salafi youth have become divided into sections, not just two. Some declare disbelief absolutely, and some declare disbelief upon the establishment of the argument without understanding the argument. So we wanted more knowledge in these doubts, is that all?
The Shaykh : There is nothing wrong with that, but your expressions give the opposite of what is in your heart, and this is not permissible. Here, one is thinking absolutely, and another rules with Islam but does not announce it. Which one is on the straighter path and more upright in speech?
The questioner : The one who rules but does not announce.
The Shaykh : Yes, and there is, without doubt, a man better than this and that: he announces and rules.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, does this exist today?
The questioner : The second one, yes.
The Shaykh : I do not think so!
The questioner : In everything, of course, no.
The Shaykh : Yes, I expected it. It is clear to you, Jamal, that you have become a patcher, meaning an old man. The circumstances, apparently, are making you learn patching. So the previous question, which you doubled and circled back to, but we are on the lookout. What is the difference between here and there?
The questioner : As I told you: ruling by the law, by the laws.
The Shaykh : And do you have those who rule by the laws?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Strange!!
The questioner : The one who told you: ruling by the laws, it is upon him to prove it. We prove that our Shari'ah courts are established.
The Shaykh : The proof is from your speech!!
The questioner : Absolutely, there is nothing in my speech.
The Shaykh : That is not how one speaks to the Shaykh!!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He says: What is your argument?
The questioner : What is your argument? Okay.
The Shaykh : Did you not say just now: not in everything?!
The questioner : I say: not in everything, because there is no complete government.
The Shaykh : I am asking you now.
The questioner : I say yes, I say yes.
The Shaykh : I am asking you about the reasoning?
The questioner : I said it.
The Shaykh : Okay, this is enough for you as an answer.
The questioner : And does it mean that we deny ruling by what Allah has revealed?
The Shaykh : Absolutely or restricted?
The questioner : You made it absolute, you.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you!
The questioner : You made it absolute at the beginning.
The Shaykh : I did not speak!!
The questioner : You said: the one who rules by other than what Allah has revealed, at the beginning of your speech.
The Shaykh : Okay, he rules by other than what Allah has revealed.
The questioner : And you made it absolute and were silent.
The Shaykh : I do not think so, so we restrict, we learned from others.
The questioner: All right.
The Shaykh : Not in everything.
The questioner : Praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh : Okay, and do they rule by other than what Allah has revealed in everything?!
The questioner : To my limited knowledge, we say: yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, so you are the one who made it absolute, not me, so you fell into the error you accused me of, even if the direction is disconnected. I am speaking about Saudi Arabia and you are speaking about the Jordanians. How do you make it absolute here?! Do they not rule on personal status according to the Shari'ah rulings?!
The questioner : Yes!
The Shaykh : So how did you make it absolute?
The questioner : Because I said in it some, and a few of them.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : But, Shaykh, are the hudud (fixed punishments) established here?
The Shaykh : Are the hudud established with you?!
The questioner : A question, are they established with us on whom it is proven!
The Shaykh : They were!!
The questioner : On whom it is proven.
The Shaykh : They were, they were, the hudud were established. I told you: Do you not see that Saudi Arabia now is proceeding... remember just now.
The questioner : I do not remember.
The Shaykh : There is nothing wrong with that, but your expressions give the opposite of what is in your heart, and this is not permissible. Here, one is thinking absolutely, and another rules with Islam but does not announce it. Which one is on the straighter path and more upright in speech?
The questioner : The one who rules but does not announce.
The Shaykh : Yes, and there is, without doubt, a man better than this and that: he announces and rules.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, does this exist today?
The questioner : The second one, yes.
The Shaykh : I do not think so!
The questioner : In everything, of course, no.
The Shaykh : Yes, I expected it. It is clear to you, Jamal, that you have become a patcher, meaning an old man. The circumstances, apparently, are making you learn patching. So the previous question, which you doubled and circled back to, but we are on the lookout. What is the difference between here and there?
The questioner : As I told you: ruling by the law, by the laws.
The Shaykh : And do you have those who rule by the laws?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Strange!!
The questioner : The one who told you: ruling by the laws, it is upon him to prove it. We prove that our Shari'ah courts are established.
The Shaykh : The proof is from your speech!!
The questioner : Absolutely, there is nothing in my speech.
The Shaykh : That is not how one speaks to the Shaykh!!
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : He says: What is your argument?
The questioner : What is your argument? Okay.
The Shaykh : Did you not say just now: not in everything?!
The questioner : I say: not in everything, because there is no complete government.
The Shaykh : I am asking you now.
The questioner : I say yes, I say yes.
The Shaykh : I am asking you about the reasoning?
The questioner : I said it.
The Shaykh : Okay, this is enough for you as an answer.
The questioner : And does it mean that we deny ruling by what Allah has revealed?
The Shaykh : Absolutely or restricted?
The questioner : You made it absolute, you.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you!
The questioner : You made it absolute at the beginning.
The Shaykh : I did not speak!!
The questioner : You said: the one who rules by other than what Allah has revealed, at the beginning of your speech.
The Shaykh : Okay, he rules by other than what Allah has revealed.
The questioner : And you made it absolute and were silent.
The Shaykh : I do not think so, so we restrict, we learned from others.
The questioner: All right.
The Shaykh : Not in everything.
The questioner : Praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh : Okay, and do they rule by other than what Allah has revealed in everything?!
The questioner : To my limited knowledge, we say: yes.
The Shaykh : Yes, so you are the one who made it absolute, not me, so you fell into the error you accused me of, even if the direction is disconnected. I am speaking about Saudi Arabia and you are speaking about the Jordanians. How do you make it absolute here?! Do they not rule on personal status according to the Shari'ah rulings?!
The questioner : Yes!
The Shaykh : So how did you make it absolute?
The questioner : Because I said in it some, and a few of them.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : But, Shaykh, are the hudud (fixed punishments) established here?
The Shaykh : Are the hudud established with you?!
The questioner : A question, are they established with us on whom it is proven!
The Shaykh : They were!!
The questioner : On whom it is proven.
The Shaykh : They were, they were, the hudud were established. I told you: Do you not see that Saudi Arabia now is proceeding... remember just now.
The questioner : I do not remember.
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