Commentary on the claim of some fortune-tellers that the Hour is near.
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The questioner : ... that we are in the end times. Some of the brothers say we are in the end times, and the question here relies on the opinions of some fortune-tellers. That is, a very famous foreign fortune-teller claims to have predicted some wars over 400 years ago, and predicted the end of the world, and so on. They rely on this talk, saying we are in the end times based on these opinions. They say this is not knowledge of the unseen; rather, they say it is a revelation of the veiled. I wish we could hear the Shaykh’s words on this. They rely on the opinions that we are in the end times, that we are at the end of the world. In 1999, the war is going to break out.
Another questioner : Specifically in 1999, the Third World War is going to happen. The war that will destroy the world is near. They say that the Mahdi is now born, and they describe his characteristics and where he is located, and so on. They talk about how he will fight the world and how he will triumph over the world, and how he will destroy the buildings of New York. He says that the entire Christian world must unite against the Mahdi and destroy him and his followers before he rises, because his rising is great. This is a Greek-French fortune-teller who lives in France.
Another questioner : He says the Mahdi is a Muslim, meaning?
Another questioner : He says the Mahdi is a Muslim, a follower of Muhammad, and that he will possess powerful missiles to attack America, destroy America, and occupy it, and that he will rule the world, among other things.
The Shaykh : But I think you have expanded a bit more than necessary. What concerns us is the news of our Muslim brothers. Did you transmit this about this Muslim brother with a connected or disconnected chain of narration?
The questioner : I heard it directly.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I heard it directly.
The Shaykh : I heard it directly. Allahu Akbar.
Al-Halabi : A high chain of narration, O Shaykh. A very high chain of narration, I mean.
The Shaykh : But we need to look at the narrator, my brothers.
The questioner : By Allah, when my memory failed me when I heard this...
The Shaykh : By Allah, I am afraid.
The questioner : No, it did not fail me, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : I am afraid. Well, will Ali testify with you? No, really, no. I want to verify the news. Will Ali testify with you? If you are confident in the news and that you heard it well, and consequently understood it well, and finally, no forgetfulness has crept into what you understood and heard, then I say this question, O engineer, is very strange. Why? Because you say "so-and-so among the people," and I say "so-and-so among the people." May Allah guide you. How is a question directed now about so-and-so among the people, that fortune-tellers say the Hour is near?
The questioner : I say some of the brothers say that the Hour, meaning we are in the end times and the Hour is near, and they relied on...
The Shaykh : And Ali is among them?
The questioner : So-and-so among the people, a fortune-teller.
The Shaykh : He does not believe in such prophecy. Yes, this question, I find it very strange. If it is not permissible for a Muslim to believe in the prophecy of a Muslim person, how is it permissible for him to believe in the prophecy of a disbeliever?
The questioner : If two agree with him, O professor.
The Shaykh : And ten.
The questioner : Ah
The Shaykh : And twenty. All of these are disbelievers, and secondly, they are deceivers. But the thing I want to draw your attention to, you will be completely surprised by me. I will tell you: I believe in the summary of the previous news, which is that the Hour is near. So what is the strangeness in the matter, such that we return to the prophecies of disbelievers? No, the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) says meaning, without a doubt, the Hour is near. So these fortune-tellers, in their double deception, first take the news from us and then return it to us. And then they do not believe in our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), but rather they disbelieve in him. And we, due to the weakness of our knowledge and minds, come back to these fortune-tellers. We have hadiths concerning the signs of the Hour, and some of these hadiths are tangible, as if touched by hand. Surely each of you has one day noticed something of that. But what is the benefit of the talk that came from our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) by way of warning, that you do not know when the Hour will rise, but rather it will come upon you suddenly, and the like? As for those, they have made prophecy a profession. Why do we not return to our religion regarding the nearness of the Hour? Our religion has presented verses and signs of the Hour. The scholars agreed to divide them into two categories: minor signs and major signs. The major signs are known, for example, the sun rising from the west, and the descent of 'Isa (peace be upon him), and the like. The minor signs are in the tens, if not hundreds. Among them is the well-known hadith by which many Muslims are afflicted today: If we know something of the minor signs of the Hour, are those prophecies you heard from so-and-so among the people, who is a Muslim, from the minor signs or the major signs?
The questioner : The major ones.
The Shaykh : No, you have made them major. May Allah guide you. What are the major ones?
The questioner : The Mahdi.
The Shaykh : The Mahdi, yes.
The questioner : ... He says three, four, and five years, and he is present, and grown, and mature as well.
The Shaykh : Well, who is betting?
The questioner : How, who is betting?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Except the truthful one.
The Shaykh : Except what?
The questioner : The truthful one, meaning, actually...
The Shaykh : I bet that this is a deceiver and a liar.
The questioner : The one who says this statement. Perhaps he has evidence, hadiths, something, something.
The Shaykh : Do you see this?The Shaykh : Ali is poor. Who takes the evidence from this disbeliever? May Allah guide you. Where will he bring these evidences from? The point, my brothers, that you must know is that no one can determine the occurrence of the Hour.
The questioner : This is without a doubt.
The Shaykh : But if that is the case, what do you want with the specified signs of the Hour? Rather, let a person take his precaution. The Hour will not rise for people who know, between them and the Hour, so many years, or know, between them and the emergence of the Mahdi, so many years. This is disbelief itself, about which he (peace and blessings be upon him) said:Sunan Ibn Majah 639Hasan (Darussalam) The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) himself did not determine the occurrence of the Hour with a material, annual determination, but he established minor conditions and major conditions. That is, if the sun rises from the west, no person at that time will be able to determine when the Hour will rise. What do you think? This is a major sign, and yet one cannot determine when the Hour will rise. So what about the fact that between us and the sun rising from the west, the emergence of the Dajjal, the descent of the Messiah, and his killing of him, and the killing of the Jews who support him, and so on, and before that, the emergence of the Mahdi, and the settling of Islam and its spread on the earth, as you heard in the sermon of Abu Malik, may Allah reward him with good: Al-Mustadrak lil-Hakim 48:40 How many years do you estimate it will take for Islam to encompass the earth? It will take centuries, my brothers. It will take centuries. You say the Mahdi will emerge in four years.
Al-Halabi : Well, O Shaykh, may Allah reform him in a night.
The Shaykh : Yes, He will prepare him to lead the Ummah.
Al-Halabi : Meaning, the statement that he has emerged, is alive, is born, is mature, and so on.
The Shaykh : It is all a lie, a guess without knowledge.
The questioner : They rely on, meaning, the foundations they have. The great mountain they call... I know they claim that...
The Shaykh : Who are they, my brother? You are generalizing the issue. Are they Muslims or disbelievers?
The questioner : Muslims.
The Shaykh : Muslims. Where is this mountain in *Sahih al-Bukhari*?
The questioner : Professor, let us just finish this issue. They say they rely on the hadith that is true or false, I do not know, which says: And they claim that Ali (may Allah preserve him) preserved it and recited it in the form of hadiths, and they make it in the form of poetry and analyze it. They say that we have a principle in this talk.
The Shaykh : Who are these people, the Shi'ah or the people of the Sunnah?
The questioner : The people of the Sunnah.
Another questioner : The people of the Sunnah whose sheikhs are the people of the Shi'ah. They prayed, of course, next to the Alawi Shi'ah.
The Shaykh : How can the poet’s verse be said: "He has gone astray whose guide is the blind." My brother, where is this book, the Jafar? Where is it? We have the six books, and we have the sixty books, and we have the six hundred books.
The questioner : This is agreed upon, because this is a talk preserved by the Imams of the Shi'ah. They tell you this is not circulated.
The Shaykh : By Allah, it is regrettable that we waste our time in a matter whose invalidity is without a doubt, my brother. "The Book of Jafar" is not handled or cared for by anyone but one of two men: either an atheist or an ignorant person. And yet we come to care about it, and its support is the book, what is it? "The Jafar."
The questioner : Their belief, my teacher, is that this statement is attributed to our master 'Ali ibn Abi Talib, and that he heard it from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). This belief they direct at us contains a deficiency, my brother. You know everything; there is a hadith that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), as mentioned, informed about what would happen until the Day of Resurrection. Whoever preserved it preserved it, and whoever forgot it forgot it. He preserved it and wrote it down, and others preserved it and took an interest in the matter.
The Shaykh : Who wrote it down?
The questioner : The ones who wrote it down are the Imams, these who took the knowledge from our master 'Ali, and after him it passed to the Imams of the Shi'ah.
The Shaykh : This is a claim.
The questioner : A true claim, it is a claim.
The Shaykh : Well, and what is the evidence?
The questioner : The evidence is the existence of the Jafar in their hands.
The Shaykh : Where is it?
The questioner : It is with them, I tell you it is with them. It contains the small Jafar and the large Jafar.
The Shaykh : Where is it? Why don't they publish it?
The questioner : The small Jafar is the text, and the large one is its commentary.
The Shaykh : What Allah wills, it is like the Torah and the Talmud.
The questioner : Perfect.
The Shaykh : Perfect.
The questioner : Like al-Bukhari and Fath al-Bari.
The Shaykh : No, that is not correct.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, the word you mentioned at the beginning of the session, by Allah, when I heard it...The Shaykh : I was changed by it.
The Shaykh : Take a testimony from him now, this is a pledge of allegiance.
The questioner : By Allah, I have heard Shaykhs, unfortunately, speak like this.
Another questioner : Who will we see?
The questioner : I mean, one of them is known.
Another questioner : And the second.
The audience: They laugh.
The questioner : Indeed, it turned out to be known, indeed the first one.
The Shaykh : There is no god but Allah.
The questioner : ... so everything is for eternity, so everything is near[Al-Ma'arij 70:6] If this talk is required, we researched worship and prayer considering the Hour. This is good, everything is a good fruit.
Al-Halabi : He encourages them to be negligent, to stay put, to settle on the earth, and to rely upon it.
The Shaykh : No, and how many prophets have appeared in Islamic history, and their lies and deceptions have been exposed. But I am surprised by those who might trust people like these.
The questioner : I say, my teacher, that I recently came across a reasonable Englishman, a Scot. I looked into his affairs, and this is a matter of a reasonable man. By Allah, I found him reasonable. He speaks about the predictions that the engineer talks about, which are now widespread, and many rulers of the world, as I have heard, are interested in them. They bring them and consult them and see what is in them, and so on. This second prophet, this man, what does it mean? He used an expression, he excelled in belittling or something like that, a specific expression of his, that he read these things from the heavenly books. I do not know if the engineer heard of this idea or not. He read these things from the heavenly books and the remnants of their followers. This is verbatim, I quote to you from the heavenly books and the remnants of their followers. Then he rephrased these news and events again and attributed them to himself. This supports your previous statement that these people looked at what the Muslims and others have. Of course, this man is a Scot who says this, and he is a journalist.
Al-Halabi : Wicked, not reasonable.
The questioner : No, I mean the sayings that were attached to the religions.
Another questioner :
The questioner : No, not myths. No, he says, of course, the fatwas of the Shaykhs and the fatwas of the scholars and the words of the Shi'ah. He focused on the Iranians and the people of Persia and things like this. This is what he meant by the phrase "the Shi'ah and their things." So he says all these things have been digested and rephrased again, and he attributed them to himself as knowledge he attained and that Allah revealed to him.
Another questioner : This hadith that says the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) informed them of what would happen, and every secret, and so on. What is the name of the Companion who was there?
The Shaykh : The name of the Companion.
The questioner : One day he honored al-Nu'as in his house.
The Shaykh : Yes, in the house of Abu Yahya. By Allah, I no longer remember.
The questioner : Is it, my teacher, a valid hadith, or if it is...?
The Shaykh : It is possible it is Hudhayfah or someone else.
The questioner : The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ascended the pulpit and descended, and ascended. Is this hadith valid?
The Shaykh : Yes, that is right.
The questioner: My masterThe Shaykh : ... in that it means, by reason and logic, that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ascended the pulpit and spoke, let him speak all day, it was not for him to speak from that hour until Allah inherits the earth and those upon it, with all the events in it. This is one thing. Well, if all the gathered people even wrote it down, they would not be able to write down what will happen in the future until Allah inherits the earth and those upon it. So in terms of the plausibility of the meaning, it is not acceptable.
Another questioner : My master, but in any case, they preserved from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) a huge amount of news and hadiths. This is without doubt. Correct.
The Shaykh : Yes, but it is not in the Jafar.
The questioner : The Jafar focused on this aspect, which is the news of the trials.
The Shaykh : May Allah forbid it.
The questioner : By Allah, I say this is their claim, I am not convinced.
The Shaykh : How do you benefit from this statement of yours?
The questioner : This is how they claim it. I say it this way. As for me, I believe it is correct and established from the Messenger of Allah. By Allah, I do not say it.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. We understood that they say it this way. What is the benefit of repeating and reiterating this misguidance? What is the benefit?
The questioner : The benefit is that they have overwhelmed us, and they are talking about it.
Another questioner : Specifically in 1999, the Third World War is going to happen. The war that will destroy the world is near. They say that the Mahdi is now born, and they describe his characteristics and where he is located, and so on. They talk about how he will fight the world and how he will triumph over the world, and how he will destroy the buildings of New York. He says that the entire Christian world must unite against the Mahdi and destroy him and his followers before he rises, because his rising is great. This is a Greek-French fortune-teller who lives in France.
Another questioner : He says the Mahdi is a Muslim, meaning?
Another questioner : He says the Mahdi is a Muslim, a follower of Muhammad, and that he will possess powerful missiles to attack America, destroy America, and occupy it, and that he will rule the world, among other things.
The Shaykh : But I think you have expanded a bit more than necessary. What concerns us is the news of our Muslim brothers. Did you transmit this about this Muslim brother with a connected or disconnected chain of narration?
The questioner : I heard it directly.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I heard it directly.
The Shaykh : I heard it directly. Allahu Akbar.
Al-Halabi : A high chain of narration, O Shaykh. A very high chain of narration, I mean.
The Shaykh : But we need to look at the narrator, my brothers.
The questioner : By Allah, when my memory failed me when I heard this...
The Shaykh : By Allah, I am afraid.
The questioner : No, it did not fail me, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : I am afraid. Well, will Ali testify with you? No, really, no. I want to verify the news. Will Ali testify with you? If you are confident in the news and that you heard it well, and consequently understood it well, and finally, no forgetfulness has crept into what you understood and heard, then I say this question, O engineer, is very strange. Why? Because you say "so-and-so among the people," and I say "so-and-so among the people." May Allah guide you. How is a question directed now about so-and-so among the people, that fortune-tellers say the Hour is near?
The questioner : I say some of the brothers say that the Hour, meaning we are in the end times and the Hour is near, and they relied on...
The Shaykh : And Ali is among them?
The questioner : So-and-so among the people, a fortune-teller.
The Shaykh : He does not believe in such prophecy. Yes, this question, I find it very strange. If it is not permissible for a Muslim to believe in the prophecy of a Muslim person, how is it permissible for him to believe in the prophecy of a disbeliever?
The questioner : If two agree with him, O professor.
The Shaykh : And ten.
The questioner : Ah
The Shaykh : And twenty. All of these are disbelievers, and secondly, they are deceivers. But the thing I want to draw your attention to, you will be completely surprised by me. I will tell you: I believe in the summary of the previous news, which is that the Hour is near. So what is the strangeness in the matter, such that we return to the prophecies of disbelievers? No, the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) says
Between me and the Hour are these two.
بيني وبين الساعة كهاتينTwo types of people I have not yet seen: women clothed yet naked, men with whips in their hands like the tails of cattle, striking people with them, and women clothed yet naked, inclining and causing others to incline, their heads like the humps of camels. Curse them, for they are cursed. They will not enter Paradise and will not smell its scent, even though its scent can be found from such and such a distance.
صنفان من الناس لم أرهما بعد نساء كاسيات عاريات ، رجال بأيديهم سياط كأذناب البقر يضربون بها الناس ، ونساء كاسيات عاريات مائلات مميلات رؤوسهن كأسنمة الخبت العنوهن فإنهم ملعونات لا يدخلن الجنة ولا يجدن ريحها وإن ريحها لتوجد من مسيرة كذا وكذاThe questioner : The major ones.
The Shaykh : No, you have made them major. May Allah guide you. What are the major ones?
The questioner : The Mahdi.
The Shaykh : The Mahdi, yes.
The questioner : ... He says three, four, and five years, and he is present, and grown, and mature as well.
The Shaykh : Well, who is betting?
The questioner : How, who is betting?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Except the truthful one.
The Shaykh : Except what?
The questioner : The truthful one, meaning, actually...
The Shaykh : I bet that this is a deceiver and a liar.
The questioner : The one who says this statement. Perhaps he has evidence, hadiths, something, something.
The Shaykh : Do you see this?The Shaykh : Ali is poor. Who takes the evidence from this disbeliever? May Allah guide you. Where will he bring these evidences from? The point, my brothers, that you must know is that no one can determine the occurrence of the Hour.
The questioner : This is without a doubt.
The Shaykh : But if that is the case, what do you want with the specified signs of the Hour? Rather, let a person take his precaution. The Hour will not rise for people who know, between them and the Hour, so many years, or know, between them and the emergence of the Mahdi, so many years. This is disbelief itself, about which he (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
or who goes to a fortuneteller and believes what he says, he has disbelieved in that which was revealed to Muhammad.
من أتى عرافا فصدقه بما يقول فقد كفر بما أنزل على محمدThis matter will reach the extent of the night and the day.
ليبلغن هذا الأمر مبلغ الليل والنهارThis matter will reach the extent of the night and the day.
ليبلغن هذا الأمرAl-Halabi : Well, O Shaykh, may Allah reform him in a night.
The Shaykh : Yes, He will prepare him to lead the Ummah.
Al-Halabi : Meaning, the statement that he has emerged, is alive, is born, is mature, and so on.
The Shaykh : It is all a lie, a guess without knowledge.
The questioner : They rely on, meaning, the foundations they have. The great mountain they call... I know they claim that...
The Shaykh : Who are they, my brother? You are generalizing the issue. Are they Muslims or disbelievers?
The questioner : Muslims.
The Shaykh : Muslims. Where is this mountain in *Sahih al-Bukhari*?
The questioner : Professor, let us just finish this issue. They say they rely on the hadith that is true or false, I do not know, which says:
He (peace and blessings be upon him) went out, then descended for the midday prayer, then went out, then descended, and he left nothing until the Hour except that he informed about it.
خرج صلى الله عليه وسلم ثم نزل على صلاة الظهر ثم خرج ثم نزل وما ترك شيئا حتى قيامم الساعة إلا خبر فيهThe Shaykh : Who are these people, the Shi'ah or the people of the Sunnah?
The questioner : The people of the Sunnah.
Another questioner : The people of the Sunnah whose sheikhs are the people of the Shi'ah. They prayed, of course, next to the Alawi Shi'ah.
The Shaykh : How can the poet’s verse be said: "He has gone astray whose guide is the blind." My brother, where is this book, the Jafar? Where is it? We have the six books, and we have the sixty books, and we have the six hundred books.
The questioner : This is agreed upon, because this is a talk preserved by the Imams of the Shi'ah. They tell you this is not circulated.
The Shaykh : By Allah, it is regrettable that we waste our time in a matter whose invalidity is without a doubt, my brother. "The Book of Jafar" is not handled or cared for by anyone but one of two men: either an atheist or an ignorant person. And yet we come to care about it, and its support is the book, what is it? "The Jafar."
The questioner : Their belief, my teacher, is that this statement is attributed to our master 'Ali ibn Abi Talib, and that he heard it from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). This belief they direct at us contains a deficiency, my brother. You know everything; there is a hadith that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), as mentioned, informed about what would happen until the Day of Resurrection. Whoever preserved it preserved it, and whoever forgot it forgot it. He preserved it and wrote it down, and others preserved it and took an interest in the matter.
The Shaykh : Who wrote it down?
The questioner : The ones who wrote it down are the Imams, these who took the knowledge from our master 'Ali, and after him it passed to the Imams of the Shi'ah.
The Shaykh : This is a claim.
The questioner : A true claim, it is a claim.
The Shaykh : Well, and what is the evidence?
The questioner : The evidence is the existence of the Jafar in their hands.
The Shaykh : Where is it?
The questioner : It is with them, I tell you it is with them. It contains the small Jafar and the large Jafar.
The Shaykh : Where is it? Why don't they publish it?
The questioner : The small Jafar is the text, and the large one is its commentary.
The Shaykh : What Allah wills, it is like the Torah and the Talmud.
The questioner : Perfect.
The Shaykh : Perfect.
The questioner : Like al-Bukhari and Fath al-Bari.
The Shaykh : No, that is not correct.
Al-Halabi : Our Shaykh, the word you mentioned at the beginning of the session, by Allah, when I heard it...The Shaykh : I was changed by it.
The Shaykh : Take a testimony from him now, this is a pledge of allegiance.
The questioner : By Allah, I have heard Shaykhs, unfortunately, speak like this.
Another questioner : Who will we see?
The questioner : I mean, one of them is known.
Another questioner : And the second.
The audience: They laugh.
The questioner : Indeed, it turned out to be known, indeed the first one.
The Shaykh : There is no god but Allah.
The questioner : ... so everything is for eternity, so everything is near
Indeed, they see it [as] distant,
إنهم يرونه بعيدا ونراه قريباAl-Halabi : He encourages them to be negligent, to stay put, to settle on the earth, and to rely upon it.
The Shaykh : No, and how many prophets have appeared in Islamic history, and their lies and deceptions have been exposed. But I am surprised by those who might trust people like these.
The questioner : I say, my teacher, that I recently came across a reasonable Englishman, a Scot. I looked into his affairs, and this is a matter of a reasonable man. By Allah, I found him reasonable. He speaks about the predictions that the engineer talks about, which are now widespread, and many rulers of the world, as I have heard, are interested in them. They bring them and consult them and see what is in them, and so on. This second prophet, this man, what does it mean? He used an expression, he excelled in belittling or something like that, a specific expression of his, that he read these things from the heavenly books. I do not know if the engineer heard of this idea or not. He read these things from the heavenly books and the remnants of their followers. This is verbatim, I quote to you from the heavenly books and the remnants of their followers. Then he rephrased these news and events again and attributed them to himself. This supports your previous statement that these people looked at what the Muslims and others have. Of course, this man is a Scot who says this, and he is a journalist.
Al-Halabi : Wicked, not reasonable.
The questioner : No, I mean the sayings that were attached to the religions.
Another questioner :
The legends of the former peoples.
أساطير الأولينThe questioner : No, not myths. No, he says, of course, the fatwas of the Shaykhs and the fatwas of the scholars and the words of the Shi'ah. He focused on the Iranians and the people of Persia and things like this. This is what he meant by the phrase "the Shi'ah and their things." So he says all these things have been digested and rephrased again, and he attributed them to himself as knowledge he attained and that Allah revealed to him.
Another questioner : This hadith that says the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) informed them of what would happen, and every secret, and so on. What is the name of the Companion who was there?
The Shaykh : The name of the Companion.
The questioner : One day he honored al-Nu'as in his house.
The Shaykh : Yes, in the house of Abu Yahya. By Allah, I no longer remember.
The questioner : Is it, my teacher, a valid hadith, or if it is...?
The Shaykh : It is possible it is Hudhayfah or someone else.
The questioner : The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ascended the pulpit and descended, and ascended. Is this hadith valid?
The Shaykh : Yes, that is right.
The questioner: My masterThe Shaykh : ... in that it means, by reason and logic, that when the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ascended the pulpit and spoke, let him speak all day, it was not for him to speak from that hour until Allah inherits the earth and those upon it, with all the events in it. This is one thing. Well, if all the gathered people even wrote it down, they would not be able to write down what will happen in the future until Allah inherits the earth and those upon it. So in terms of the plausibility of the meaning, it is not acceptable.
Another questioner : My master, but in any case, they preserved from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) a huge amount of news and hadiths. This is without doubt. Correct.
The Shaykh : Yes, but it is not in the Jafar.
The questioner : The Jafar focused on this aspect, which is the news of the trials.
The Shaykh : May Allah forbid it.
The questioner : By Allah, I say this is their claim, I am not convinced.
The Shaykh : How do you benefit from this statement of yours?
The questioner : This is how they claim it. I say it this way. As for me, I believe it is correct and established from the Messenger of Allah. By Allah, I do not say it.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. We understood that they say it this way. What is the benefit of repeating and reiterating this misguidance? What is the benefit?
The questioner : The benefit is that they have overwhelmed us, and they are talking about it.
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