Does touching a woman with desire invalidate the ablution?

The questioner : Does touching a woman with desire invalidate a person's ablution?

The Shaykh : What is the issue? It is her sister, exactly. We see, yes, touching a woman with desire invalidates the ablution. Touching a woman with desire invalidates the ablution. But without desire, it does not invalidate it.

The questioner : How do you say that Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) was with the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and he did not perform ablution?

The Shaykh : Excuse me, may Allah reward you with good. You alerted me to a mistake. We say that touching the private part with desire invalidates the ablution. As for the issue of the woman, no. The kiss, no. But regarding touching the private part, it is so. Be patient a little. We say that no text has come regarding this; there is no statement here. When it comes to touching the private part, is it not a part of you? And We try to reconcile the two hadiths by saying with this philosophy: touching with desire invalidates, and without desire it does not invalidate. But regarding kissing, we have no text in the Sunnah, let alone the Qur'an, that it invalidates absolutely, as stated in But what do we say? We say that during the kissing, one may pass pre-seminal fluid or semen. This is a separate matter. Here, it returns to the matter that invalidates by text, whether there was kissing or not. It is clear. And glory be to You, O Allah, and praise be to You. I testify that there is no god but You. I seek Your forgiveness and turn to You in repentance.