How do we reconcile the hadiths indicating that the Prophet’s (peace and blessings be upon him) parents are in the Fire with the verse: “To warn a people to whom no warner had come before you”?
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The questioner : How do we reconcile this ruling, or what these hadiths indicate—that the Messenger’s (peace and blessings be upon him) parents are in the Fire—with the verse in Surat al-Sajdah which says: [As-Sajdah 32:3] Here, the hadiths indicate that they were not excused for their shirk (associating partners with Allah)?
The Shaykh : I think this discussion took place between you and me in this place.
Another questioner : ...
The questioner : Yes, it did, but it was not...
Another questioner : It was very long...
The questioner : Yes, this verse was not...
The Shaykh : I did not understand.
The questioner : But this verse was not...
The Shaykh : I want to say...
Another questioner : ...Surat Yasin.
The Shaykh : No, no, I don’t want to say that his question and this answer were discussed in this place. I suspect he is asking on behalf of someone else, like that, heh heh.
The questioner : ...May Allah reward you for your good opinion.
The questioner : Ah, and for understanding the verse, meaning, a realistic understanding.
The Shaykh : We have done that, we have done that, and now a hint is enough for the free man.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh: So I ask you, I say, did a warner come to us?
The questioner : ...Yes...
The Shaykh : Here, answer clearly.
The questioner : Yes, heh heh, the Book and the warner came to us. Do you mean by “warner” the man?
The Shaykh : What do you intend? What do you mean by your question?
The questioner : I mean a messenger.
The Shaykh : So did a messenger come to us?
The questioner : No messenger came to us.
The Shaykh : Then we are people of the period of ignorance.
The questioner : His Book came to us.
The Shaykh : So we are among the people of the period of ignorance.
The questioner : I am not saying no... We believe in the period of ignorance, but this verse says:.
The Shaykh : We know what it says, but we are now in the process of explaining what this verse intends. Does it intend, in the saying of Allah the Exalted:, directly, or did the call of a warner come to us, even if not directly? The answer is very clear from this concise statement: “No warner came to us” means “no call of a warner came to us.” So you still have to estimate a deleted modifier here, as is said in the saying of Allah the Exalted: [Yusuf 12:82] the village is not asked, rather its inhabitants are. So here, “no warner came to us” means “no call of a warner came to us.” This call may be direct from the warner, or it may be indirect from the warner. This is our case today. If we freeze on understanding the verse as “warner” by his person, and not by his call, even if by the person of another, it means we are the Ummah of Muhammad (peace be upon him), whether the Ummah of response or the Ummah of the call in the general sense. Are we all among the people of the period of ignorance? Is there any person of reason, I do not say Muslim, is there any person of reason who says that these people who are not among the Companions of the Messenger (peace be upon him), who did not accompany him directly and did not receive the call from them directly, from the Tabi'un (the generation after the Companions) to the present day, that no warner came to them? I do not think any person of reason, even if he is a disbeliever, holds this belief.
The questioner : There are verses, Professor, where they denied that a warner had come to them: “No warner came to us.” But here the verse, Allah the Exalted says: They are not the ones who denied, but Allah the Exalted says: .
The Shaykh : I did not make your distinction, I did not make your distinction, may Allah forgive you.
The questioner : As for saying that there is an elision, comparing the verse to the other verse: There is a known metaphorical usage (majaz mursal). Everyone who hears the verse knows that the village is not asked in a logical metaphor, and “ask the village”—the village, the houses—are not asked, but its inhabitants are asked. But here, the verse is explicit and does not need an added elided element.
The Shaykh : In a legal metaphor, is there not?
The questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : In a legal metaphor.
The questioner : Here, there must be a contextual clue (qarinah).
The Shaykh : You are not answering.
The questioner : There is a contextual clue.
The Shaykh : In a legal metaphor.
The questioner : In a metaphor.
The Shaykh : This is what I want, its answer.
The questioner : Okay, how, where did the metaphor come from?
The Shaykh : Why, if you say that is a linguistic metaphor, since there is a legal metaphor? Why did you not stop at the legal metaphor and move to the linguistic metaphor and say, “May Allah guide you, everyone understood it”?
The questioner : There is a consensus that it is a logical metaphor.
The Shaykh : What do we have to do with that, my brother?
The questioner : But now, meaning from the call of a warner, does not occur to the mind.
The Shaykh : To the mind of the ignorant.
The questioner : No, to the mind of any scholar.
The Shaykh : The scholars.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : No, stop there.
The questioner : To any scholar.
The Shaykh : Stop there.
The questioner : Meaning, heh heh, it needs a contextual clue.
The Shaykh : ... There is no power nor strength except by Allah.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : The contextual clue, O Shaykh, is that you are coming out as being among the people of the period of ignorance if you do not understand the verse with this concept. You are among the people of the period of ignorance. Do you want to be among the people of the period of ignorance?
The questioner : I am not among the people of the period of ignorance.
The Shaykh : Did a warner come to you?
The questioner: A warner came to me, the Book of Allah.
The Shaykh : This is what is required.
The questioner : ...Estimating this has no evidence for it.
The Shaykh : I seek refuge in Allah, Allah is the Greatest, how is there no evidence?
Another questioner : In reality.
Another questioner: One of the brothers wants to ask a question also.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : One of the questions from one of the brothers who are coming.
The Shaykh : Welcome.
that you may warn a people to whom no warner has come before you [so] perhaps they will be guided.
لتنذر قوما ما أتاهم من نذير من قبلك لعلهم يهتدونThe Shaykh : I think this discussion took place between you and me in this place.
Another questioner : ...
The questioner : Yes, it did, but it was not...
Another questioner : It was very long...
The questioner : Yes, this verse was not...
The Shaykh : I did not understand.
The questioner : But this verse was not...
The Shaykh : I want to say...
Another questioner : ...Surat Yasin.
The Shaykh : No, no, I don’t want to say that his question and this answer were discussed in this place. I suspect he is asking on behalf of someone else, like that, heh heh.
The questioner : ...May Allah reward you for your good opinion.
The questioner : Ah, and for understanding the verse, meaning, a realistic understanding.
The Shaykh : We have done that, we have done that, and now a hint is enough for the free man.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh: So I ask you, I say, did a warner come to us?
The questioner : ...Yes...
The Shaykh : Here, answer clearly.
The questioner : Yes, heh heh, the Book and the warner came to us. Do you mean by “warner” the man?
The Shaykh : What do you intend? What do you mean by your question?
The questioner : I mean a messenger.
The Shaykh : So did a messenger come to us?
The questioner : No messenger came to us.
The Shaykh : Then we are people of the period of ignorance.
The questioner : His Book came to us.
The Shaykh : So we are among the people of the period of ignorance.
The questioner : I am not saying no... We believe in the period of ignorance, but this verse says:
To whom no warner had come.
ما أتاهم من نذيرThe Shaykh : We know what it says, but we are now in the process of explaining what this verse intends. Does it intend, in the saying of Allah the Exalted:
No warner came to us.
ما جاءنا من نذيرAnd ask the city in which we were and the caravan in which we came - and indeed, we are truthful,"
وسأل القرية التي كنا فيها والعير التي أقبلنا فيها وانا لصادقونThe questioner : There are verses, Professor, where they denied that a warner had come to them: “No warner came to us.” But here the verse, Allah the Exalted says:
To warn a people to whom no warner had come.
لتنذر قوما ما أتاهمTo warn a people to whom no warner had come.
لتنذر قوم ما آتاهم من نذيرThe Shaykh : I did not make your distinction, I did not make your distinction, may Allah forgive you.
The questioner : As for saying that there is an elision, comparing the verse to the other verse:
And ask the village
واسأل القريةThe Shaykh : In a legal metaphor, is there not?
The questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : In a legal metaphor.
The questioner : Here, there must be a contextual clue (qarinah).
The Shaykh : You are not answering.
The questioner : There is a contextual clue.
The Shaykh : In a legal metaphor.
The questioner : In a metaphor.
The Shaykh : This is what I want, its answer.
The questioner : Okay, how, where did the metaphor come from?
The Shaykh : Why, if you say that is a linguistic metaphor, since there is a legal metaphor? Why did you not stop at the legal metaphor and move to the linguistic metaphor and say, “May Allah guide you, everyone understood it”?
The questioner : There is a consensus that it is a logical metaphor.
The Shaykh : What do we have to do with that, my brother?
The questioner : But now
No warner came.
ما جاء من نذيرThe Shaykh : To the mind of the ignorant.
The questioner : No, to the mind of any scholar.
The Shaykh : The scholars.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : No, stop there.
The questioner : To any scholar.
The Shaykh : Stop there.
The questioner : Meaning, heh heh, it needs a contextual clue.
The Shaykh : ... There is no power nor strength except by Allah.
The questioner : ...
The Shaykh : The contextual clue, O Shaykh, is that you are coming out as being among the people of the period of ignorance if you do not understand the verse with this concept. You are among the people of the period of ignorance. Do you want to be among the people of the period of ignorance?
The questioner : I am not among the people of the period of ignorance.
The Shaykh : Did a warner come to you?
The questioner: A warner came to me, the Book of Allah.
The Shaykh : This is what is required.
The questioner : ...Estimating this has no evidence for it.
The Shaykh : I seek refuge in Allah, Allah is the Greatest, how is there no evidence?
Another questioner : In reality.
Another questioner: One of the brothers wants to ask a question also.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : One of the questions from one of the brothers who are coming.
The Shaykh : Welcome.
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