We request details on the issue of sending the warner, establishing the proof, and the reaching of the call?
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The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : Regarding the hadith mentioned by the brother, which is the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to the Bedouin: ... Some of the contemporaries say that this contradicts the saying of Allah the Exalted ..
The Shaykh : God forbid.
The questioner[Ya-Sin 36:6] And how would Allah the Exalted punish them when He did not send a messenger among them? [Al-Isra 17:15] So what is your response?
The Shaykh : My response is that this ignorant person says that Allah did not send a messenger to us, and that is all. Your understanding is sufficient.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : Clear, and no, no?
The questioner : Clear. Yes, I know from him.
The Shaykh : Our policy, Professor Salim, is deep, very deep. We want to hear the word from you; it is sufficient for us to hear it from you, but it is not sufficient from others. This is an extreme negligence that they say this hadith and its like contradict the Qur'an. The truth, and I say the truth, is that the authentic hadiths which the Ummah accepted, led by the Imams of hadith, when one or two people come and claim that this hadith contradicts the Qur'an, they are among the most foolish and most ignorant of people. Because they imagine that the Ummah, throughout the ages, has this hadith in their hands, authenticating it and worshipping Allah with it, while these hadiths contradict the Noble Qur'an. So I say the truth that it is not contradictory, but rather it is contradictory to his understanding of the Noble Qur'an. He misunderstands the Noble Qur'an, then builds upon this error a series of errors, rejecting the authentic hadiths because of his poor understanding of the noble verses. What was the verse? ... Yes, they understand from this verse and what is similar to it that the warning or the warner must be in person in everything by which the proof is established against the servants of Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He), and that is not the case. I answered here that the meaning of this statement is that we Muslims did not have a warner come to us. Where is the warner who followed us? We do not have one.The questioner : Here, the meaning of this statement is that we Muslims have not had a warner come to us, and we did not follow the warner. We have none.
The questioner : Ah, the warner is our Prophet (peace be upon him). Well, our Prophet was not sent to us directly. So why do we understand the verse that the warner must be direct? And we did not have the warner come to us directly. So either our price is their price, or their price is our price. Is this statement understood or not?
The Shaykh : Ah, the warner is our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Now, our Prophet was not sent to us directly. So why do we understand from the verse that the warner must be direct? This is not the case for us; the warner did not come to us directly. Therefore, either our price is their price, or their price is our price. Do you understand this statement or not?
The questioner : Understood.
The Shaykh : I will not answer your question until I walk away.
The questioner : Is that clear?
The Shaykh : So if we can say that no warner came to us, we can also say that a warner did come to us, correct? How do we reconcile the two expressions, "no warner came to us" and "a warner came to us"? No warner came to us directly, but a warner came to us in the sense that his call reached us. Thus, the issue is not tied to the warner personally, but rather to his call. Therefore, any nation or people on the face of the earth, since Allah sent the messengers and sent down the books, are obligated to receive the call, whether directly from the warner, the Prophet or the Messenger, or through those who came after them. So the person here has no effect; rather, it is his call. We now say that no warner came to us, but his call came to us, and praise be to Allah. Whoever follows this call is saved, and whoever opposes it and disbelieves in it is destroyed. Let us return to the Arabs in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance; we also say of them that no warner came to them, and that a warner did come to them. The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), his father, his mother, his uncle, his grandfather, and those before them, perhaps hundreds of years prior, we can say that no warner came to them as a person. But we cannot deny that a warner came to them in the second sense, meaning the call. The evidence for this is the existence of the Sacred Mosque and the Ka'bah of Allah in the heart of the Hijaz, which is Makkah, and their preservation of the circumambulation around the Ka'bah and of some of the rites they inherited from Ibrahim and Isma'il. And Allah the Exalted said in the Qur'an:[Al-Baqarah 2:127] To whom does this elevation refer? To which people? To the Arabs. So regarding the Arabs, we do not say that no warner came to them unless the fool wants every people to have a warner come to them directly. Rather, I say that every individual needs a warner, do you see? Every individual needs a warner, and I do not say that a sane person knows what comes out of this. Do you not think that the warner sent in Makkah... do you not think that there could be people who did not hear of the call at all, for one reason or more, such as being deaf, or having a mental disorder, or so on? We can imagine the existence of these people in every era. So what do we say about these people? Did a warner come to them or not? A warner came to them, but the call did not reach these two or three individuals. As for the others, his person did not come to them, but his call did, and the evidence for this is that we have many, many hadiths that the people of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance are being punished. Among them is a hadith in Muslim that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) was riding his she-camel one day and passed by two graves, and the she-camel shied away. He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: When were these two buried? They said: In the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. He (peace and blessings be upon him) said: The animal heard the punishment of the two graves and shied away, so he (peace and blessings be upon him) asked, and they told him that they had died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. So these people died, and this is a hadith that your man must deny, because no warner came to them. And who is he? I think it is 'Adi ibn Hatim, when he asked about his father, who was generous and so on. Does that benefit him? He said: No, because he did not say one day, "My Lord, forgive me my sin on the Day of Judgment."
Al-Halabi : It is Aishah, the Lady Aishah, when she asked about him ...
The Shaykh : Ah ... , these all died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. So we must deny Islamic history, which has nothing more authentic than it, nothing comparable in authenticity, in this twisted way due to the poor understanding of the noble verses. So now, have the Europeans and Americans had the call reach them? First, we ask: did a warner come to them? No warner came to them. Did a warner come to them in the second sense? I do not say it came to them, I do not say it came, and I do not say it did not come, I give you the clue ... A dispute occurred between me and one of the Shaykhs, the first time I went to Madinah, a professor at the university. We were staying up late there, and the gathering was full of Shaykhs, university professors. This topic was raised, and one of them claimed, but there is a difference between you and him, that he is a professor and you are not a professor. And a second benefit is that he was not in a hurry like you were, and he was deliberate and said: The call reached them, my brother. These Arabic broadcasts reach the whole world, this Qur'an is recited night and day. So I smiled in his face, laughing, and I said to him: Professor, this Qur'an, you do not need the Arabs to understand it, they do not have the ability to understand it, so what about the non-Arabs? What do the British and the Germans and others know? That the disbelievers are those who say that Allah is the third of three They are not going to understand anything. There was a long and very long discussion about the topic. The point is that a person should not get involved ...
The questioner : Regarding the hadith mentioned by the brother, which is the saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to the Bedouin:
My father and your father are in the Fire
أبي وأبوك في النارThe Shaykh : God forbid.
The questioner
That you may warn a people whose forefathers were not warned
لتنذر قوما ما أنذر آبائهمAnd never would We punish until We sent a messenger.
وما كنا معذبين حتى نبعث رسولاThe Shaykh : My response is that this ignorant person says that Allah did not send a messenger to us, and that is all. Your understanding is sufficient.
The questioner : May Allah reward you.
The Shaykh : Clear, and no, no?
The questioner : Clear. Yes, I know from him.
The Shaykh : Our policy, Professor Salim, is deep, very deep. We want to hear the word from you; it is sufficient for us to hear it from you, but it is not sufficient from others. This is an extreme negligence that they say this hadith and its like contradict the Qur'an. The truth, and I say the truth, is that the authentic hadiths which the Ummah accepted, led by the Imams of hadith, when one or two people come and claim that this hadith contradicts the Qur'an, they are among the most foolish and most ignorant of people. Because they imagine that the Ummah, throughout the ages, has this hadith in their hands, authenticating it and worshipping Allah with it, while these hadiths contradict the Noble Qur'an. So I say the truth that it is not contradictory, but rather it is contradictory to his understanding of the Noble Qur'an. He misunderstands the Noble Qur'an, then builds upon this error a series of errors, rejecting the authentic hadiths because of his poor understanding of the noble verses. What was the verse?
No warner came to them
ما جاءهم من نذيرThe questioner : Ah, the warner is our Prophet (peace be upon him). Well, our Prophet was not sent to us directly. So why do we understand the verse that the warner must be direct? And we did not have the warner come to us directly. So either our price is their price, or their price is our price. Is this statement understood or not?
The Shaykh : Ah, the warner is our Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). Now, our Prophet was not sent to us directly. So why do we understand from the verse that the warner must be direct? This is not the case for us; the warner did not come to us directly. Therefore, either our price is their price, or their price is our price. Do you understand this statement or not?
The questioner : Understood.
The Shaykh : I will not answer your question until I walk away.
The questioner : Is that clear?
The Shaykh : So if we can say that no warner came to us, we can also say that a warner did come to us, correct? How do we reconcile the two expressions, "no warner came to us" and "a warner came to us"? No warner came to us directly, but a warner came to us in the sense that his call reached us. Thus, the issue is not tied to the warner personally, but rather to his call. Therefore, any nation or people on the face of the earth, since Allah sent the messengers and sent down the books, are obligated to receive the call, whether directly from the warner, the Prophet or the Messenger, or through those who came after them. So the person here has no effect; rather, it is his call. We now say that no warner came to us, but his call came to us, and praise be to Allah. Whoever follows this call is saved, and whoever opposes it and disbelieves in it is destroyed. Let us return to the Arabs in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance; we also say of them that no warner came to them, and that a warner did come to them. The Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him), his father, his mother, his uncle, his grandfather, and those before them, perhaps hundreds of years prior, we can say that no warner came to them as a person. But we cannot deny that a warner came to them in the second sense, meaning the call. The evidence for this is the existence of the Sacred Mosque and the Ka'bah of Allah in the heart of the Hijaz, which is Makkah, and their preservation of the circumambulation around the Ka'bah and of some of the rites they inherited from Ibrahim and Isma'il. And Allah the Exalted said in the Qur'an:
And [mention] when Abraham was raising the foundations of the House and [with him] Ishmael, [saying], "Our Lord, accept [this] from us
وإذ يرفع ابراهيم القواعد من البيت وإسماعيل ربنا تقبل مناIf it were not that you bury one another, you would hear the punishment of the grave
لو لا أن تدافنوا لأسمعتكم عذاب القبرAl-Halabi : It is Aishah, the Lady Aishah, when she asked about him ...
The Shaykh : Ah ... , these all died in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. So we must deny Islamic history, which has nothing more authentic than it, nothing comparable in authenticity, in this twisted way due to the poor understanding of the noble verses. So now, have the Europeans and Americans had the call reach them? First, we ask: did a warner come to them? No warner came to them. Did a warner come to them in the second sense? I do not say it came to them, I do not say it came, and I do not say it did not come, I give you the clue ... A dispute occurred between me and one of the Shaykhs, the first time I went to Madinah, a professor at the university. We were staying up late there, and the gathering was full of Shaykhs, university professors. This topic was raised, and one of them claimed, but there is a difference between you and him, that he is a professor and you are not a professor. And a second benefit is that he was not in a hurry like you were, and he was deliberate and said: The call reached them, my brother. These Arabic broadcasts reach the whole world, this Qur'an is recited night and day. So I smiled in his face, laughing, and I said to him: Professor, this Qur'an, you do not need the Arabs to understand it, they do not have the ability to understand it, so what about the non-Arabs? What do the British and the Germans and others know? That the disbelievers are those who say that Allah is the third of three They are not going to understand anything. There was a long and very long discussion about the topic. The point is that a person should not get involved ...
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