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The Shaykh : We cannot say that in this statement of his, which was discussed, he fell into a serious deviation. He did not contradict [the truth] in a way that would make a Muslim a disbeliever.
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Because he did not have the knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah that would have protected and safeguarded him from falling into the deviation that leads to disbelief. All that happened is that he said something that makes no sense. He says, "Suppose... the type to the man, this is good in meaning, he tries to understand it, but he says that the world is ancient, and based on that, he declares Ibn Taymiyyah a disbeliever. Ibn Taymiyyah explains this statement in other terms, saying: 'There is no created thing except that before it was a created thing; there is no created thing except that before it was a created thing, until there is no beginning.' This is what is meant by the antiquity of the type... The human being has this sentence and that one. He imagines what he imagines, and this is good, and others, but he says "And there is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence". If he says "And there is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence", the meaning of the speech is always from the perspective of speaking about this speech... But this is obligatory. Yes.
It is only non-existence, in non-existence... preceded, so the problem is resolved. Yes, but is this speech reasonable?
"There is no created thing except that before it was a created thing" "There is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence". This means a labyrinth. How did Ibn Taymiyyah mean to fall into it? This is the confusion in the matter. What is it?
Another questioner: The reason that made him say this statement.
The Shaykh : Bring it, let us see.
Another questioner: For example, the attributes of Allah, Mighty and Majestic, among His attributes...
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner : Yes
The Shaykh : Because he did not have the knowledge of the Book and the Sunnah that would have protected and safeguarded him from falling into the deviation that leads to disbelief. All that happened is that he said something that makes no sense. He says, "Suppose... the type to the man, this is good in meaning, he tries to understand it, but he says that the world is ancient, and based on that, he declares Ibn Taymiyyah a disbeliever. Ibn Taymiyyah explains this statement in other terms, saying: 'There is no created thing except that before it was a created thing; there is no created thing except that before it was a created thing, until there is no beginning.' This is what is meant by the antiquity of the type... The human being has this sentence and that one. He imagines what he imagines, and this is good, and others, but he says "And there is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence". If he says "And there is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence", the meaning of the speech is always from the perspective of speaking about this speech... But this is obligatory. Yes.
It is only non-existence, in non-existence... preceded, so the problem is resolved. Yes, but is this speech reasonable?
"There is no created thing except that before it was a created thing" "There is no created thing except that it is preceded by non-existence". This means a labyrinth. How did Ibn Taymiyyah mean to fall into it? This is the confusion in the matter. What is it?
Another questioner: The reason that made him say this statement.
The Shaykh : Bring it, let us see.
Another questioner: For example, the attributes of Allah, Mighty and Majestic, among His attributes...
The Shaykh : ... .