What is the ruling on saying takbir for prostration of recitation?
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The questioner : , O our Shaykh, in the hadith we are discussing regarding prostration of recitation, we prostrate without saying Allahu Akbar; without, I mean.
The Shaykh : Without takbir.
The questioner : Takbir, some people... he said: "My brother, where are you from...?" I said to him: "Where did you get Allahu Akbar from? Where did you get it from?" He does it like... we... in the prayer, in the rak'ahs of the prayer, without... we say takbir without... movement, but this... there is something it is based on...
The Shaykh : The basis is the absence of a report; the absence of a report is the basis; because the original rule in worship is to follow; meaning, we do not raise our hands in supplication in the tashahhud, we do not raise our hands in supplication between the two prostrations; it is exactly the same, so if someone like this questioner you are talking about were told the same thing: "Why don't you raise your hands when you sit in the tashahhud and supplicate?"
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Why don't you raise your hands? Even though there are hadiths that encourage the supplicant to raise his hands:. So if he is told: "Why do you not raise them?" he does not know because of his ignorance, whereas the answer is: we do not raise them because it was not reported that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) raised them; so where he raised, we raise, and where he did not raise, we do not raise. It is the same answer regarding what? The takbir for the prostration of recitation in the prayer. And you can expand on it with him.
The questioner : I also researched it, I mean.
The Shaykh : Do not say to me: "No, wait for me." You can expand on it with him, and say to him: "When you read from the mushaf outside of prayer and you prostrate for prostration of recitation, do you say takbir?" He might say to you: "Yes, I say takbir." Good; do you say taslim? He might say to you: "No." Good; why did you say takbir and why did you not say taslim? The matter is a pre-Islamic scientific chaos; call it what you will; even though the methodology is one. Yes?
The questioner : I see them saying takbir, my teacher.
The Shaykh : We are telling you...
The questioner : He might say to you: "No." He might say to you...
The Shaykh : I brought you this and that, so most of them say takbir but do not say taslim, and some of them combine the two sins!!
The questioner : ... he does this for you.
The questioner : The hadith that "Kheir al-Din al-Wanli" cites in his book "Dala'il al-Khayrat" that...
The Shaykh : ... is from the fabricated prostration.
The questioner : It is in the prostration.
The Shaykh : So the answer is that it was not reported from the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him); it is not necessary for it to come to us that he did not say takbir, it is not necessary for it to come to us that he did not raise his hands in the tashahhud and between the two prostrations; no; the absence of a report is evidence of the absence of the act, but here is something I do not take a strict stance on regarding leaving the takbir in prostration of recitation in the prayer; because it was reported from some of the Companions - I think it was Ibn Mas'ud - that he used to say takbir - I am now in doubt between Ibn Mas'ud and Ibn 'Umar -; so if such an act is established from a noble Companion, we do not be stubborn against it, we follow it, but when there is no trace at all from the Salaf, we say: it is a bid'ah (religious innovation).
Tell me what you have.
The Shaykh : Without takbir.
The questioner : Takbir, some people... he said: "My brother, where are you from...?" I said to him: "Where did you get Allahu Akbar from? Where did you get it from?" He does it like... we... in the prayer, in the rak'ahs of the prayer, without... we say takbir without... movement, but this... there is something it is based on...
The Shaykh : The basis is the absence of a report; the absence of a report is the basis; because the original rule in worship is to follow; meaning, we do not raise our hands in supplication in the tashahhud, we do not raise our hands in supplication between the two prostrations; it is exactly the same, so if someone like this questioner you are talking about were told the same thing: "Why don't you raise your hands when you sit in the tashahhud and supplicate?"
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Why don't you raise your hands? Even though there are hadiths that encourage the supplicant to raise his hands:
Indeed, Allah is shy of His servant when he raises his hands in supplication that He should return them empty.
إن الله يستحيي من عبده إذا رفع يديه يدعو أن يردَّهما خائبتينThe questioner : I also researched it, I mean.
The Shaykh : Do not say to me: "No, wait for me." You can expand on it with him, and say to him: "When you read from the mushaf outside of prayer and you prostrate for prostration of recitation, do you say takbir?" He might say to you: "Yes, I say takbir." Good; do you say taslim? He might say to you: "No." Good; why did you say takbir and why did you not say taslim? The matter is a pre-Islamic scientific chaos; call it what you will; even though the methodology is one. Yes?
The questioner : I see them saying takbir, my teacher.
The Shaykh : We are telling you...
The questioner : He might say to you: "No." He might say to you...
The Shaykh : I brought you this and that, so most of them say takbir but do not say taslim, and some of them combine the two sins!!
The questioner : ... he does this for you.
The questioner : The hadith that "Kheir al-Din al-Wanli" cites in his book "Dala'il al-Khayrat" that...
The Shaykh : ... is from the fabricated prostration.
The questioner : It is in the prostration.
The Shaykh : So the answer is that it was not reported from the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him); it is not necessary for it to come to us that he did not say takbir, it is not necessary for it to come to us that he did not raise his hands in the tashahhud and between the two prostrations; no; the absence of a report is evidence of the absence of the act, but here is something I do not take a strict stance on regarding leaving the takbir in prostration of recitation in the prayer; because it was reported from some of the Companions - I think it was Ibn Mas'ud - that he used to say takbir - I am now in doubt between Ibn Mas'ud and Ibn 'Umar -; so if such an act is established from a noble Companion, we do not be stubborn against it, we follow it, but when there is no trace at all from the Salaf, we say: it is a bid'ah (religious innovation).
Tell me what you have.
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