The Shaykh’s explanation to the questioner of the meaning of (opening the chest with disbelief).
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The Shaykh : In any case, as long as you are going around the point of opening his chest, as long as you are going around this word, which is the point of distinction in the topic, perhaps you should study the verse specifically at this point.
Abu Malik: You, up to now, even...
The Shaykh : I mean, I mean, if you allow it, does everyone who falls into disbelief have their chest opened for it?
The questioner : If the obstacles to declaring someone a disbeliever are absent.
The Shaykh : My brother, Sīn Jīm Sīn.
The questioner : No, no.
The Shaykh : So you cannot say about a person, saying it is not necessary for his chest to be opened to disbelief, that he is a disbeliever.
The questioner : We have...
The Shaykh : You cannot.
The questioner : We have obstacles to declaring someone a disbeliever; not every person who falls into disbelief do we declare a disbeliever, because there are obstacles, like the man who...
The Shaykh : Please, do not deviate from the verse. The verse declares a disbeliever anyone whose chest is opened, so everyone whose chest is opened to disbelief is the disbeliever.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, we differ in the interpretation of the verse. You say this, and the scholars we follow do not say this.
The Shaykh : No, you cannot bring a scholar who says, even if his chest was not opened to disbelief, you will never be able to, and I do not imagine a scholar who contradicts the explicit Qur'an.
The questioner : Kashf al-Shubuhat by Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab mentioned this.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, my brother. Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab, no offense to his head and eyes, and he has efforts in da'wah and so on, but this reminds us of the hadith of the fly. Do you remember it?
The questioner : I do not remember it.
The Shaykh : I mean, he mentioned it in his book that entered the Fire because he offered a fly. Did you mention the hadith?
The questioner : You weakened it.
The Shaykh : It does not matter to them now. Did you see how you are rambling?
The questioner: No...
The Shaykh : We are not rambling, may Allah bless you.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Enough, enough, it is past now. Do you remember the hadith? The important thing is, what do you say about a man who is forced to offer a fly?
The questioner : The hadith is weak...
Abu Malik: ... the question.
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except by Allah.
The questioner : ... he is...The Shaykh ... .
The questioner : We do not follow...The Shaykh : Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab. We do not follow any person in error.
Abu Malik: Glory be to Allah.
The questioner : We do not follow a person in error. This is as we learned from you, because we follow every person in error?
Abu Malik: I did not learn this from you.
The questioner : We did not learn...
The Shaykh : ... he learned some and did not learn some. The important thing is, what do you say about a man who is forced to offer a fly? Or else he is killed, as his companion was killed in the story. Does he enter the Fire?
The questioner : If the conditions of compulsion are met, no, because he is a believer... he was forced to commit disbelief.
The Shaykh : Okay, and Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab told this story. What is it used as evidence for?
The questioner : I do not remember.
The Shaykh : That if he brings near a fly, he is a disbeliever, whereas it is necessary to distinguish, and here comes the verse of 'Ammar ibn Yasir[An-Nahl 16:106] The important thing, may Allah bless you, I am adding my voice to Abu Malik's voice, and the time is late, that you must reconsider your study and be influenced by the methodology [An-Nisa 4:59] and prepare yourself to think about the answer to every question that others may raise against you or that you raise against yourself. The professor just now, when you cited the verse [An-Nisa 4:64], his speech was going around with you and he was not getting an answer. To be obeyed with complete obedience, or even if it is incomplete obedience? How do you interpret the verse? Complete obedience or even if it is incomplete obedience? How do you interpret the verse? Or how do you understand the verse? I do not think you understand it as complete obedience. My opinion is in its place?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, so the opposite is correct? Even if it is incomplete obedience.
The questioner : Yes, because a person cannot...
The Shaykh : Answer, my brother. Answer, may Allah bless you.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, here comes the statement...The Shaykh : of the one who sincerely from his heart said "There is no god but Allah" and did not do any work at all. He obeyed with incomplete obedience. You must always accept this result. But we offer you an excuse if you have evidence, for example, prayer for example, and you interpreted it as some scholars interpret it, meaning disbelief and apostasy. You have an excuse for example. But as long as you are holding back in this specific part regarding prayer, you should not argue.The Shaykh : All these hours, when someone asks you: "The one who said 'There is no god but Allah' sincerely from his heart, Allah has forbidden his body from the Fire. Did he obey Allah with incomplete obedience?" You did not give him an answer. Why? Even though you now said [An-Nisa 4:64] it is not necessary for it to be complete obedience, otherwise there would be no Muslim on the face of the earth. So, even if it is incomplete obedience. Here it comes that faith increases and decreases; its increase is through obedience and its decrease through disobedience, and so on. So I was amazed all this time, and the professor is eager to hear from you, and it seems that in previous conversations between you and him, and so on, you would not have turned him away, if I may express it that way, that by Allah, here there is obedience, even if it is incomplete. Why? Since you have now agreed with the correct position, that he is to be obeyed, even if it is incomplete obedience, then this one who said "There is no god but Allah" sincerely from his heart, this verse applies to him with this interpretation that was clarified last. So why are you arguing with him all this time? And peace be upon you.
Abu Malik: And upon you be peace.
The questioner : May Allah reward you, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Oh Allah.
Abu Malik: You, up to now, even...
The Shaykh : I mean, I mean, if you allow it, does everyone who falls into disbelief have their chest opened for it?
The questioner : If the obstacles to declaring someone a disbeliever are absent.
The Shaykh : My brother, Sīn Jīm Sīn.
The questioner : No, no.
The Shaykh : So you cannot say about a person, saying it is not necessary for his chest to be opened to disbelief, that he is a disbeliever.
The questioner : We have...
The Shaykh : You cannot.
The questioner : We have obstacles to declaring someone a disbeliever; not every person who falls into disbelief do we declare a disbeliever, because there are obstacles, like the man who...
The Shaykh : Please, do not deviate from the verse. The verse declares a disbeliever anyone whose chest is opened, so everyone whose chest is opened to disbelief is the disbeliever.
The questioner : Our Shaykh, we differ in the interpretation of the verse. You say this, and the scholars we follow do not say this.
The Shaykh : No, you cannot bring a scholar who says, even if his chest was not opened to disbelief, you will never be able to, and I do not imagine a scholar who contradicts the explicit Qur'an.
The questioner : Kashf al-Shubuhat by Shaykh Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab mentioned this.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, my brother. Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab, no offense to his head and eyes, and he has efforts in da'wah and so on, but this reminds us of the hadith of the fly. Do you remember it?
The questioner : I do not remember it.
The Shaykh : I mean, he mentioned it in his book that entered the Fire because he offered a fly. Did you mention the hadith?
The questioner : You weakened it.
The Shaykh : It does not matter to them now. Did you see how you are rambling?
The questioner: No...
The Shaykh : We are not rambling, may Allah bless you.
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : Enough, enough, it is past now. Do you remember the hadith?
A man entered Paradise because of a fly, and a man entered the Fire because of a fly. They said, "How is that, O Messenger of Allah?" He said, "Two men passed by a people who had an idol, and no one passed by it without offering something to it. They said to one of them, 'Offer something.' He said, 'I have nothing to offer.' They said to him, 'Offer even a fly.' He offered a fly, so they let him go, and he entered the Fire. And they said to the other, 'Offer something.' He said, 'I will not offer anything to anyone other than Allah, Mighty and Majestic.' So they beheaded him, and he entered Paradise."
دخل الجنة رجل في ذبابة وخل النار رجل في ذبابة، قالوا كيف ذلك يا رسول الله؟ قال مر رجلان على قوم لهم صنم لا يجوزه أحد حتى يقرب له شيئا، فقالوا لأحدهما قرب قال ليس عندي شيء أقربه، قالوا له قرب ولو ذبابا، فقرب ذبابا فخلوا سبيله فدخل النار، وقالوا للآخر قرب فقال ما كنت لأقرب لأحد شيئاً دون الله عز وجل، فضربوا عنقه فدخل الجنةThe questioner : The hadith is weak...
Abu Malik: ... the question.
The Shaykh : There is no power and no strength except by Allah.
The questioner : ... he is...The Shaykh ... .
The questioner : We do not follow...The Shaykh : Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab. We do not follow any person in error.
Abu Malik: Glory be to Allah.
The questioner : We do not follow a person in error. This is as we learned from you, because we follow every person in error?
Abu Malik: I did not learn this from you.
The questioner : We did not learn...
The Shaykh : ... he learned some and did not learn some. The important thing is, what do you say about a man who is forced to offer a fly? Or else he is killed, as his companion was killed in the story. Does he enter the Fire?
The questioner : If the conditions of compulsion are met, no, because he is a believer... he was forced to commit disbelief.
The Shaykh : Okay, and Muhammad ibn 'Abd al-Wahhab told this story. What is it used as evidence for?
The questioner : I do not remember.
The Shaykh : That if he brings near a fly, he is a disbeliever, whereas it is necessary to distinguish, and here comes the verse of 'Ammar ibn Yasir
except for one who is forced
إِلَّا مَنْ أُكْرِهَAnd if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result.
فَإِنْ تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِنْ كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًاexcept to be obeyed by permission of Allah
إِلَّا لِيُطَاعَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِThe questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, so the opposite is correct? Even if it is incomplete obedience.
The questioner : Yes, because a person cannot...
The Shaykh : Answer, my brother. Answer, may Allah bless you.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Ah?
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, here comes the statement...The Shaykh : of the one who sincerely from his heart said "There is no god but Allah" and did not do any work at all. He obeyed with incomplete obedience. You must always accept this result. But we offer you an excuse if you have evidence, for example, prayer
He has committed disbelief
فقد كفرexcept to be obeyed by permission of Allah
لِيُطَاعَ بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِAbu Malik: And upon you be peace.
The questioner : May Allah reward you, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Oh Allah.
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