Is the deviation in the wording or in the meaning?

The questioner : In this very issue, one might say that here, when the narrator came and said he moved it, he deviated in the wording. It might be understood that he was moving it, whereas it is not understood from the other report that he was pointing with it. It is as if he added another meaning that was not understood from that report. So they said, since it came with another meaning not understood from that report, this is an anomaly (shadhdh) and not an addition by a trustworthy narrator.

The Shaykh : What do you understand from that report which is held by the majority? What do you understand?

The questioner : That he was pointing with it, moving it.

The Shaykh : You are repeating the wording. I am asking what you understand. Do you understand that he was not moving it?

The questioner : No.

The Shaykh : If the matter is in Arabic, if it is said, "I saw so-and-so pointing to so-and-so," that does not contradict moving it. Therefore, this, along with another point they mentioned in the biography of Ibn Khuzaymah, who mentioned the word "moving," is that he was more precise in his narration from Shu... what is the man's name? 'Asim ibn Kulaib, from his father, from Wa'il ibn Hujr. That is, he has a special merit due to his connection to this narrator and his memorization of his narrations.

Another questioner : Our Shaykh, is the specific meaning understood, and also in the wording "he moves it," the general meaning is by pointing, meaning according to your saying, O our Shaykh?

The Shaykh : This is what we said, because there is no contradiction between two things. O Allah, Glorified are You and by Your praise, I testify that there is no god but You, I seek Your forgiveness and I repent to You.