The Shaykh asked Murad Shukri for a clear methodology for the discussion.
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The Shaykh : If you allow me, let us set a second principle.
The questioner : Please, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What do you think? Let us agree on a rule for the discussion: if you ask me a question—whether it is about something forbidden or lawful, obligatory or a recommended practice, or whether a hadith is authentic or weak—or if I ask you such a question, I propose that we see if our opinions are mutual. I suggest that the answer to a question be in the briefest possible phrase, for example, "forbidden" or "lawful." If, with your permission, the answer falls into the category of "whoever agrees with whom, embraces him," then we need to hold a lecture.
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you.
The questioner : Let us leave it to the Muslim brothers.
The students: Hehe.
The Shaykh : Hehe. So I ask you to adhere to this rule, because first, we will save each other, and we will save time, which is what we need most.
The questioner: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So now, my question is: when you said that one takes the precautionary measure, is it obligatory, or is it a recommended practice? You may answer with "permissible." If we are on the rule of "whoever agrees with whom, embraces him," hehe, we embrace each other and agree. And if not, and we differ, you have the full authority to explain your point of view, and then we will discuss it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So now, do you take the precautionary measure as obligatory, or as a recommended practice?
The questioner : My Shaykh, I want to answer, but I cannot answer without elaborating on it!
The Shaykh : No, may Allah guide you. If you break the agreement, for this whole hour, hehe.
The questioner : The other: Embrace him.
The Shaykh: Hehehe.
The questioner : We are still in the embrace.
The Shaykh : Hehe, may Allah forgive you.
The questioner : My Shaykh, a person who studies the principles of jurisprudence and objects to this rule: the conflict between the precautionary measure and the permissive measure. The permissive measure is a text from Allah, and the precautionary measure is a text from Allah.
The Shaykh : A verse.
The questioner : It is not possible to reconcile them.
The Shaykh : This is a repetition of what has passed.
The questioner : The most cautious view in his opinion is that it is obligatory, but he does not impose it on people, because he may find a strong objection, or an objector may object to him.
The Shaykh : A deviation.
The questioner : I will answer.
The Shaykh : A deviation.
The questioner : How, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Now, the discussion is between you and me, not between you and the people.
The questioner : My Shaykh, between you and me, but...
The Shaykh : Fine, why did you involve the people, Professor Murad?
The questioner : They are the reason.
The Shaykh : Why did you involve the people? One person from the people is enough for us now.
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Hehe. The question returns; it is still standing, and...The questioner : That is, he asks, and I almost said, but I will say, he sharpens.
The Shaykh : No, far be it from you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Hehehe.
The questioner : Far be it from you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : I say, I almost said, so what do you think? And I tell you frankly, may Allah reward you, if such a rule, and other rules may follow it, if you have not yet digested it, then your dialogue is in vain. We will suffer what we suffered from our opponents in our knowledge, and they may not be our opponents in our morals; they may be with us in peace and love, and so on, but they are not with us in knowledge at all. Why? Because they have not studied what is needed for knowledge, knowing the lawful and the forbidden. And you know that this requires knowledge of the principles of hadith to distinguish the authentic from the weak, and knowledge of the principles of jurisprudence and the rules of this science, so that one can reconcile one rule with another.
The questioner : My Shaykh, allow me, I mean, stop me now. When I asked you, if the precautionary measure and the permissive measure conflict such that they cannot be reconciled in any way, does my stopping indicate that I am, for example, ignorant of this issue? Of course, I want to answer you that my stopping in this issue means that nothing is preferred in my opinion.
The Shaykh : Fine. And how do you want to delve into an issue that contains forbidden and lawful, when you have not taken a position on this issue, or as we say, this issue is your principle?
The questioner: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : You have not taken a position.
The questioner : Because I am certain that this issue, which is the pure gold, has no relation to this matter.
The Shaykh : How do you mean?
The questioner : My Shaykh, I mean, I start by saying what I have, if you allow me, I say...
The Shaykh : No, no, but you would have wronged me, and I do not want you to?
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah from injustice.
The Shaykh : So I do not want you to be unjust!
The questioner : Injustices are of many kinds. Please proceed.
The Shaykh : If we break the previous agreement.
The questioner : How, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : That the answer be by the shortest path, then the elaboration.
The questioner : My Shaykh, we are on the agreement.
The Shaykh : Fine, you did not give the answer.
The questioner : I answered you; I told you, certainly, this is not my view.
The Shaykh : You said that I say, taking the precautionary measure, is this not your answer?
The Shaykh : But you asked me, I take the precaution.
The Shaykh : No problem, no problem, no problem, until we finish this point, we move to another.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So the question came to you: do you take the precaution as a recommended practice, or as obligatory?
The questioner : I told you, I am stopping.
The Shaykh : Allow me, no, no, you must not forget what you did not say.
The questioner : May Allah will it, I do not forget.
The Shaykh : Did you forget what I told you? You have no opinion, and the people? You forgot.
The questioner : No, I did not forget, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So if you say you did not say.
The questioner : The other: And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The Shaykh : You said, may Allah reward you, I take it as obligatory for myself, but I cannot impose this obligation on people. So I told you, we have no opinion, and the people? Now the relationship and the discussion are between you and me. So I can say that, by your own words, you say, I take the precaution, meaning the precautionary measure, as obligatory for myself.
The questioner : And I agree.
The Shaykh : Fine, so how do you say, I have no opinion?
The questioner : My Shaykh, regarding, if people ask me!
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : They asked me, what is your opinion on the issue?
The Shaykh : Professor, we have set aside the people, may Allah reward you!
The questioner : Fine, if we set aside the people, we set aside the confusion that occurred in the answer.
The Shaykh : Well, if we are now speaking with you on the basis that if a precautionary measure and a permissive measure conflict, and reconciliation between them is not possible in any way of reconciliation, then the precautionary measure takes precedence over the permissive measure.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did we agree on this?
The questioner : We agreed, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Very good.
The questioner : Please, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What do you think? Let us agree on a rule for the discussion: if you ask me a question—whether it is about something forbidden or lawful, obligatory or a recommended practice, or whether a hadith is authentic or weak—or if I ask you such a question, I propose that we see if our opinions are mutual. I suggest that the answer to a question be in the briefest possible phrase, for example, "forbidden" or "lawful." If, with your permission, the answer falls into the category of "whoever agrees with whom, embraces him," then we need to hold a lecture.
The questioner : No.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you.
The questioner : Let us leave it to the Muslim brothers.
The students: Hehe.
The Shaykh : Hehe. So I ask you to adhere to this rule, because first, we will save each other, and we will save time, which is what we need most.
The questioner: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So now, my question is: when you said that one takes the precautionary measure, is it obligatory, or is it a recommended practice? You may answer with "permissible." If we are on the rule of "whoever agrees with whom, embraces him," hehe, we embrace each other and agree. And if not, and we differ, you have the full authority to explain your point of view, and then we will discuss it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So now, do you take the precautionary measure as obligatory, or as a recommended practice?
The questioner : My Shaykh, I want to answer, but I cannot answer without elaborating on it!
The Shaykh : No, may Allah guide you. If you break the agreement, for this whole hour, hehe.
The questioner : The other: Embrace him.
The Shaykh: Hehehe.
The questioner : We are still in the embrace.
The Shaykh : Hehe, may Allah forgive you.
The questioner : My Shaykh, a person who studies the principles of jurisprudence and objects to this rule: the conflict between the precautionary measure and the permissive measure. The permissive measure is a text from Allah, and the precautionary measure is a text from Allah.
The Shaykh : A verse.
The questioner : It is not possible to reconcile them.
The Shaykh : This is a repetition of what has passed.
The questioner : The most cautious view in his opinion is that it is obligatory, but he does not impose it on people, because he may find a strong objection, or an objector may object to him.
The Shaykh : A deviation.
The questioner : I will answer.
The Shaykh : A deviation.
The questioner : How, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Now, the discussion is between you and me, not between you and the people.
The questioner : My Shaykh, between you and me, but...
The Shaykh : Fine, why did you involve the people, Professor Murad?
The questioner : They are the reason.
The Shaykh : Why did you involve the people? One person from the people is enough for us now.
The questioner : Good.
The Shaykh : Hehe. The question returns; it is still standing, and...The questioner : That is, he asks, and I almost said, but I will say, he sharpens.
The Shaykh : No, far be it from you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Hehehe.
The questioner : Far be it from you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : I say, I almost said, so what do you think? And I tell you frankly, may Allah reward you, if such a rule, and other rules may follow it, if you have not yet digested it, then your dialogue is in vain. We will suffer what we suffered from our opponents in our knowledge, and they may not be our opponents in our morals; they may be with us in peace and love, and so on, but they are not with us in knowledge at all. Why? Because they have not studied what is needed for knowledge, knowing the lawful and the forbidden. And you know that this requires knowledge of the principles of hadith to distinguish the authentic from the weak, and knowledge of the principles of jurisprudence and the rules of this science, so that one can reconcile one rule with another.
The questioner : My Shaykh, allow me, I mean, stop me now. When I asked you, if the precautionary measure and the permissive measure conflict such that they cannot be reconciled in any way, does my stopping indicate that I am, for example, ignorant of this issue? Of course, I want to answer you that my stopping in this issue means that nothing is preferred in my opinion.
The Shaykh : Fine. And how do you want to delve into an issue that contains forbidden and lawful, when you have not taken a position on this issue, or as we say, this issue is your principle?
The questioner: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : You have not taken a position.
The questioner : Because I am certain that this issue, which is the pure gold, has no relation to this matter.
The Shaykh : How do you mean?
The questioner : My Shaykh, I mean, I start by saying what I have, if you allow me, I say...
The Shaykh : No, no, but you would have wronged me, and I do not want you to?
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah from injustice.
The Shaykh : So I do not want you to be unjust!
The questioner : Injustices are of many kinds. Please proceed.
The Shaykh : If we break the previous agreement.
The questioner : How, my Shaykh?
The Shaykh : That the answer be by the shortest path, then the elaboration.
The questioner : My Shaykh, we are on the agreement.
The Shaykh : Fine, you did not give the answer.
The questioner : I answered you; I told you, certainly, this is not my view.
The Shaykh : You said that I say, taking the precautionary measure, is this not your answer?
The Shaykh : But you asked me, I take the precaution.
The Shaykh : No problem, no problem, no problem, until we finish this point, we move to another.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So the question came to you: do you take the precaution as a recommended practice, or as obligatory?
The questioner : I told you, I am stopping.
The Shaykh : Allow me, no, no, you must not forget what you did not say.
The questioner : May Allah will it, I do not forget.
The Shaykh : Did you forget what I told you? You have no opinion, and the people? You forgot.
The questioner : No, I did not forget, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So if you say you did not say.
The questioner : The other: And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The Shaykh : You said, may Allah reward you, I take it as obligatory for myself, but I cannot impose this obligation on people. So I told you, we have no opinion, and the people? Now the relationship and the discussion are between you and me. So I can say that, by your own words, you say, I take the precaution, meaning the precautionary measure, as obligatory for myself.
The questioner : And I agree.
The Shaykh : Fine, so how do you say, I have no opinion?
The questioner : My Shaykh, regarding, if people ask me!
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : They asked me, what is your opinion on the issue?
The Shaykh : Professor, we have set aside the people, may Allah reward you!
The questioner : Fine, if we set aside the people, we set aside the confusion that occurred in the answer.
The Shaykh : Well, if we are now speaking with you on the basis that if a precautionary measure and a permissive measure conflict, and reconciliation between them is not possible in any way of reconciliation, then the precautionary measure takes precedence over the permissive measure.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Did we agree on this?
The questioner : We agreed, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Very good.
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