What is the grade of the hadith, "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf, and we seek intercession with you with Allah"? And what is its meaning?
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The questioner : Shaykh, we want to ask you about a matter.
The Shaykh : Please proceed.
The questioner : That a man said to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him): "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf, and we seek intercession with you with Allah", and he said: What is the grade of the authenticity of the hadith?
The Shaykh : It contains Ibn Lahi'ah, and he is weak.
The questioner : I rarely speak.
The questioner : ... We used to call for aid to the Messenger of Allah, and he said:.
The Shaykh : ... But it is weak, yes.
The questioner : Waki' ibn 'Ubayd is in it.
The Shaykh : Yes, it is not in it ... but it is in it ... .
The questioner : There is no problem with the name, O Shaykh, but the problem is with the text.
The Shaykh : What is the problem?
The questioner : We know the hadith, but the interpretation of the part where it says "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf," we need the concept of this ... .
The Shaykh : First, I say that the question, my brother, especially when it comes to a problem or error, is because it is based on a weak hadith.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, if the hadith is weak, what does it mean that it is a weak hadith? It means that one of its narrators has weakness in his memory, so what happens? He narrates the hadith inverted, different from reality, and so on, but the language is broad.
The questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : A person may be able to find an interpretation for such a phrase.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : But does this dead matter deserve such effort?
The questioner : I only wanted, from the linguistic side, if you have something on this.
The Shaykh : Okay, repeat the phrase.
The questioner : We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : Yes, we seek intercession with Allah on your behalf, and then?
The questioner : And we seek intercession with you with Allah.
The Shaykh : And we seek intercession with you with Allah, yes, and by Allah, I do not remember, and it seems that the brothers will remember the words of Ibn Taymiyyah, and that the apparent meaning of the statement is reprehensible, which indicates and confirms the weakness of the hadith. What do you remember? What did Ibn Taymiyyah say?
The questioner : I am asking you, by Allah, on your behalf.
The Shaykh : The first one.
The questioner : The second phrase: we ask you for intercession from Allah.
The Shaykh : The second one has no problem; the first one does.
The questioner : We do not seek intercession with Allah on behalf of anyone.
The Shaykh : The question is about the first phrase, not the second. Read the first phrase.
The questioner : We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : What does it mean?
The questioner : This is what I remember from the words of the Shaykh al-Islam.
The Shaykh : Yes, what does he say?
The questioner : That is ... by Allah, on your behalf ... by Allah.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : That is ... by Allah.
The questioner : This is the second one, not the first one.
The questioner : The first one is: We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : Yes, what does it mean?
The questioner : It means that Allah is our intercessor with you.
The Shaykh : And the second one?
The questioner : We seek intercession with you with Allah.
The Shaykh : And what is the difference between the two phrases?
The questioner : One.
The questioner : We ask you, O Muhammad, by Allah, on your behalf. The second one: we ask you to intercede for us with Allah.
The Shaykh : So you interpret intercession as asking?
The questioner : It seems so.
The Shaykh : Intercession does not mean that. "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf" — this goes along with the misguidance of the misguided.
The questioner : It means a dangerous word.
The questioner : This hadith is weak ... .
The questioner : The status of Allah is greater than that, that we seek intercession with Him on behalf of any of His creation.
The questioner : The one you are asking is being asked in the wrong place. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ... .
The questioner : Like one person saying to another ... .
The questioner : That is, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), if this hadith were authentic, rejected this request from the questioner.
The Shaykh : Yes, He is greater than that.
The questioner : As if, and may Allah protect us, the Messenger was exalted to the point that the Messenger orders ... to intercede with Allah, until Allah intercedes with the Messenger.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : ... Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) is not sought for intercession for another with anyone.
The Shaykh :[Al-Baqarah 2:255] .
The questioner : On this basis, O Shaykh, the summary is enough for me to sell to my relative al-Rafai.
The questioner : And peace be upon you.
The questioner : We returned to Shaykh Ghazi.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and Allah's mercy and blessings.
The Shaykh : Please proceed.
The questioner : That a man said to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him): "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf, and we seek intercession with you with Allah", and he said:
The status of Allah is greater than that, that He is not sought for intercession on behalf of any of His creation.
شأن الله أعظم من ذلك إنه لا يستشفع به على أحد من خلقهThe Shaykh : It contains Ibn Lahi'ah, and he is weak.
The questioner : I rarely speak.
The questioner : ... We used to call for aid to the Messenger of Allah, and he said:
That He is not called upon for aid ...
إنه لا يستغاث بي ...The Shaykh : ... But it is weak, yes.
The questioner : Waki' ibn 'Ubayd is in it.
The Shaykh : Yes, it is not in it ... but it is in it ... .
The questioner : There is no problem with the name, O Shaykh, but the problem is with the text.
The Shaykh : What is the problem?
The questioner : We know the hadith, but the interpretation of the part where it says "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf," we need the concept of this ... .
The Shaykh : First, I say that the question, my brother, especially when it comes to a problem or error, is because it is based on a weak hadith.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, if the hadith is weak, what does it mean that it is a weak hadith? It means that one of its narrators has weakness in his memory, so what happens? He narrates the hadith inverted, different from reality, and so on, but the language is broad.
The questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : A person may be able to find an interpretation for such a phrase.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : But does this dead matter deserve such effort?
The questioner : I only wanted, from the linguistic side, if you have something on this.
The Shaykh : Okay, repeat the phrase.
The questioner : We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : Yes, we seek intercession with Allah on your behalf, and then?
The questioner : And we seek intercession with you with Allah.
The Shaykh : And we seek intercession with you with Allah, yes, and by Allah, I do not remember, and it seems that the brothers will remember the words of Ibn Taymiyyah, and that the apparent meaning of the statement is reprehensible, which indicates and confirms the weakness of the hadith. What do you remember? What did Ibn Taymiyyah say?
The questioner : I am asking you, by Allah, on your behalf.
The Shaykh : The first one.
The questioner : The second phrase: we ask you for intercession from Allah.
The Shaykh : The second one has no problem; the first one does.
The questioner : We do not seek intercession with Allah on behalf of anyone.
The Shaykh : The question is about the first phrase, not the second. Read the first phrase.
The questioner : We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : What does it mean?
The questioner : This is what I remember from the words of the Shaykh al-Islam.
The Shaykh : Yes, what does he say?
The questioner : That is ... by Allah, on your behalf ... by Allah.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : That is ... by Allah.
The questioner : This is the second one, not the first one.
The questioner : The first one is: We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf.
The Shaykh : Yes, what does it mean?
The questioner : It means that Allah is our intercessor with you.
The Shaykh : And the second one?
The questioner : We seek intercession with you with Allah.
The Shaykh : And what is the difference between the two phrases?
The questioner : One.
The questioner : We ask you, O Muhammad, by Allah, on your behalf. The second one: we ask you to intercede for us with Allah.
The Shaykh : So you interpret intercession as asking?
The questioner : It seems so.
The Shaykh : Intercession does not mean that. "We seek intercession with Allah on your behalf" — this goes along with the misguidance of the misguided.
The questioner : It means a dangerous word.
The questioner : This hadith is weak ... .
The questioner : The status of Allah is greater than that, that we seek intercession with Him on behalf of any of His creation.
The questioner : The one you are asking is being asked in the wrong place. The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) ... .
The questioner : Like one person saying to another ... .
The questioner : That is, the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), if this hadith were authentic, rejected this request from the questioner.
The Shaykh : Yes, He is greater than that.
The questioner : As if, and may Allah protect us, the Messenger was exalted to the point that the Messenger orders ... to intercede with Allah, until Allah intercedes with the Messenger.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : ... Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) is not sought for intercession for another with anyone.
The Shaykh :
Who is it that can intercede with Him except by His permission?
من ذا الذي يشفع عنده إلا بإذنهThe questioner : On this basis, O Shaykh, the summary is enough for me to sell to my relative al-Rafai.
The questioner : And peace be upon you.
The questioner : We returned to Shaykh Ghazi.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and Allah's mercy and blessings.