The Meaning of the Poet's Statement: (The discussion concerns the issue of which came first, the creation of the Pen or the Throne) and people differ regarding the Pen with which the decree was written by the Lord
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The Shaykh :"And people differ regarding the Pen with which *** the decree was written by the Judge
Was it before the Throne or after it? *** There are two opinions according to Abu al-'Ala al-Hamdani.
This means that the scholars differed on whether the Throne preceded the creation of the Pen, or whether the Pen preceded the creation of the Throne? But Ibn al-Qayyim says:
"And the truth is that the Throne came first, because *** before the writing it had pillars".
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, no, and the truth is that the Throne came first. I am of the opinion that it was before.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The truth is that the Throne came first, meaning: before the Pen, because before the writing it had pillars, and if it had pillars, then it preceded without doubt.
Was it before the Throne or after it? *** There are two opinions according to Abu al-'Ala al-Hamdani.
This means that the scholars differed on whether the Throne preceded the creation of the Pen, or whether the Pen preceded the creation of the Throne? But Ibn al-Qayyim says:
"And the truth is that the Throne came first, because *** before the writing it had pillars".
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, no, and the truth is that the Throne came first. I am of the opinion that it was before.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : The truth is that the Throne came first, meaning: before the Pen, because before the writing it had pillars, and if it had pillars, then it preceded without doubt.