The meaning of the poet's statement: (The refutation of the people of ta'til in denying action from Allah)
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The Shaykh : Then he said, challenging:
"Can it be true that this is the proof, and the best of the generations did not find it? *** The best of the generations are its proof"
What is the answer? Here? "Impossible, those two" refer to two things: first, that this proof is true, and second, that the preferred generations did not find it. Did the preferred generations follow this path and use this proof? No. Therefore, it is impossible that it is true and they did not find it.
"You were guided to the truth when they forbade it in *** the root of certainty and the seat of knowledge"
What is the answer: No, it is not possible that you, the later generations, are guided to the truth, while the earlier generations are forbidden from it. This is impossible. For this reason, when some scholars debated a person who denied the attributes regarding a matter, he said to him: Did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions say it? He said: No. He said: "Then what sufficed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions suffices you". And whoever is not satisfied with what sufficed the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions, Allah will not make it easy for him. Now, he says:
"You were guided to the truth when they forbade it in *** the root of certainty and the seat of knowledge"
What is the answer? No.
"And you guided us to that which they were never guided to *** and the severity of deprivation"
Likewise, we say: No, they cannot guide us to something that the righteous Salaf did not find.
"And you followed the paths of guidance and knowledge *** without the people"
The student: And you entered.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: And you entered.
The Shaykh :"And you entered the truth from a door they did not enter ***"
Here? No, it is not possible. Every door that the later generations enter and the earlier generations did not enter is a door of evil. For this reason, he said: "And wonder at this abandonment
And you followed the paths of guidance and knowledge without *** the people"
Yes, no, no, yes, yes. For this reason, he said: "And wonder at this slander"
The people of ta'til say the truth is with us, while the Salaf are ignorant, delegated. You ask what is the meaning of the saying of Allah the Exalted:[Taha 20:5], and he tells you.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, the Salaf? He says, I do not know, because their belief is that the methodology of the Salaf is tafwid (delegation) and ignorance. Even the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) would speak words without knowing their meaning. He says: And if you asked him: O Messenger of Allah, what is the meaning of "He descends"? He would say: I do not know, I do not know, He descends, and that is all. Yes, Sahih al-Bukhari 2826 And what is its meaning? I do not know. You see this Salafi methodology according to these people. And they lied, by Allah, about the Salaf. The Salaf say: We know the meaning, and it is not possible that Allah and His Messenger address us with what we do not know, but we do not know the manner and the reality, because we are too weak for that, and we have not been informed about the manner.
"Can it be true that this is the proof, and the best of the generations did not find it? *** The best of the generations are its proof"
What is the answer? Here? "Impossible, those two" refer to two things: first, that this proof is true, and second, that the preferred generations did not find it. Did the preferred generations follow this path and use this proof? No. Therefore, it is impossible that it is true and they did not find it.
"You were guided to the truth when they forbade it in *** the root of certainty and the seat of knowledge"
What is the answer: No, it is not possible that you, the later generations, are guided to the truth, while the earlier generations are forbidden from it. This is impossible. For this reason, when some scholars debated a person who denied the attributes regarding a matter, he said to him: Did the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions say it? He said: No. He said: "Then what sufficed the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions suffices you". And whoever is not satisfied with what sufficed the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) and his Companions, Allah will not make it easy for him. Now, he says:
"You were guided to the truth when they forbade it in *** the root of certainty and the seat of knowledge"
What is the answer? No.
"And you guided us to that which they were never guided to *** and the severity of deprivation"
Likewise, we say: No, they cannot guide us to something that the righteous Salaf did not find.
"And you followed the paths of guidance and knowledge *** without the people"
The student: And you entered.
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: And you entered.
The Shaykh :"And you entered the truth from a door they did not enter ***"
Here? No, it is not possible. Every door that the later generations enter and the earlier generations did not enter is a door of evil. For this reason, he said: "And wonder at this abandonment
And you followed the paths of guidance and knowledge without *** the people"
Yes, no, no, yes, yes. For this reason, he said: "And wonder at this slander"
The people of ta'til say the truth is with us, while the Salaf are ignorant, delegated. You ask what is the meaning of the saying of Allah the Exalted:
The Most Merciful [who is] above the Throne established.
الرحمن على العرش استوىThe student: ...
The Shaykh : No, the Salaf? He says, I do not know, because their belief is that the methodology of the Salaf is tafwid (delegation) and ignorance. Even the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) would speak words without knowing their meaning. He says: