The meaning of the poet's statement: If what the deniers of attributes say were true, regarding His exaltation and the attributes of the Most Merciful
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The Shaykh :"If what the deniers of attributes say were true, regarding His exaltation and the attributes of the Most Merciful"
"You would be bound by ugly traits"
"Three ugly traits, so choose, or one of them, or two"
Here "*** or one of them, or two"
"Whether in their knowledge, or in their sincerity, or in their clarity, if that is possible"
This means that if the truth were in what these deniers of attributes said, it would necessarily follow that they are more knowledgeable about Allah than His Messenger, first of all.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because the Messenger affirmed [the attributes] and they denied them, and the truth is with them—meaning, on the assumption that it is with them—it would necessarily follow that they are more knowledgeable about Allah than the Messenger of Allah. That is one. And it would necessarily follow that they are more sincere to the servants of Allah than the Messenger of Allah. And it would necessarily follow that they are more eloquent in expression than the Messenger of Allah. It is clear, my brothers. And at that point, we say: the truth is either in what you, O deniers of attributes, said, or in what the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said. If it is in what the Messenger of Allah said, then you are upon falsehood, and you must abandon it. And if it is in what you said, then these three necessary consequences bind you, and they are, O Bandar:
The student: That they are more knowledgeable
The Shaykh : That they are more knowledgeable about Allah than the Messenger of Allah
The student: That they are more sincere to the servants of Allah
The Shaykh : And more sincere to the servants of Allah than the Messenger of Allah
The student: ...
The Shaykh : More eloquent and clearer in expression than the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). And no one affirms any of this. All right.
"You would be bound by ugly traits"
"Three ugly traits, so choose, or one of them, or two"
Here "*** or one of them, or two"
"Whether in their knowledge, or in their sincerity, or in their clarity, if that is possible"
This means that if the truth were in what these deniers of attributes said, it would necessarily follow that they are more knowledgeable about Allah than His Messenger, first of all.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because the Messenger affirmed [the attributes] and they denied them, and the truth is with them—meaning, on the assumption that it is with them—it would necessarily follow that they are more knowledgeable about Allah than the Messenger of Allah. That is one. And it would necessarily follow that they are more sincere to the servants of Allah than the Messenger of Allah. And it would necessarily follow that they are more eloquent in expression than the Messenger of Allah. It is clear, my brothers. And at that point, we say: the truth is either in what you, O deniers of attributes, said, or in what the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said. If it is in what the Messenger of Allah said, then you are upon falsehood, and you must abandon it. And if it is in what you said, then these three necessary consequences bind you, and they are, O Bandar:
The student: That they are more knowledgeable
The Shaykh : That they are more knowledgeable about Allah than the Messenger of Allah
The student: That they are more sincere to the servants of Allah
The Shaykh : And more sincere to the servants of Allah than the Messenger of Allah
The student: ...
The Shaykh : More eloquent and clearer in expression than the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him). And no one affirms any of this. All right.