(The Asha'irah built their creed on kalam, and kalam is built on logic, and this came from the Batiniyyah, so why do they declare the Batiniyyah disbelievers?) This, and
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The Shaykh :"This, and you have acknowledged that we are the clear ones in justice and the balance"
Who acknowledged that?
The student: The Asha'irah.
The Shaykh : The Asha'irah, because the Asha'irah are a group who built their creed on the science of kalam, and the origin of the science of kalam is the science of logic, and the science of logic is received from the philosophers, among whom are these Batiniyyah. Therefore, the Asha'irah, the Mu'tazilah, and those of their ilk are considered students of the philosophers. And look at what the philosophers say to them:
"This, and you have acknowledged that we are the clear ones in justice and the balance
and you have become in it our students, or is that not the logic of the Greeks?
From us you learned" Who says this? The Qaramita and the Batiniyyah, whose school was built on philosophy.
"From us you learned, and we are your teachers, do not deny us the favor of kindness"
Meaning, do not deny what we have bestowed upon you and done well for you, and you oppose us. And Ibn al-Qayyim said this because, as it appears now, if you went to the Asha'irah or the Mu'tazilah, you would find them declaring these Batiniyyah disbelievers and denying them with great denial. But in reality, their foundations are similar or close, as the author will explain.
Who acknowledged that?
The student: The Asha'irah.
The Shaykh : The Asha'irah, because the Asha'irah are a group who built their creed on the science of kalam, and the origin of the science of kalam is the science of logic, and the science of logic is received from the philosophers, among whom are these Batiniyyah. Therefore, the Asha'irah, the Mu'tazilah, and those of their ilk are considered students of the philosophers. And look at what the philosophers say to them:
"This, and you have acknowledged that we are the clear ones in justice and the balance
and you have become in it our students, or is that not the logic of the Greeks?
From us you learned" Who says this? The Qaramita and the Batiniyyah, whose school was built on philosophy.
"From us you learned, and we are your teachers, do not deny us the favor of kindness"
Meaning, do not deny what we have bestowed upon you and done well for you, and you oppose us. And Ibn al-Qayyim said this because, as it appears now, if you went to the Asha'irah or the Mu'tazilah, you would find them declaring these Batiniyyah disbelievers and denying them with great denial. But in reality, their foundations are similar or close, as the author will explain.