If one who says the Qur'an is created is a disbeliever, why did Imam Ahmad not rise against the Caliph?
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The questioner : ... the Qur'an is a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : Whoever says the Qur'an is created is a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Is this correct?
The Shaykh : Correct.
The questioner : All right, Shaykh, with Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Mu'tasim said the Qur'an is created, and al-Ma'mun ... did he not rise against him?
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : He did not rise against him, even though he is a disbeliever, and one rises against a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : Imam Ahmad (may Allah have mercy on him) said to al-Ma'mun: "O Commander of the Faithful," addressing him thus, because al-Ma'mun had a group of followers who confused the matter for him, so the issue became muddled for him. The people of the Sunnah and the community distinguish between the one who is obstinate and the one who interprets [the text figuratively], so it was muddled for him. We ask Allah for well-being. Yes.
I hear.
The reciter: In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy.
The Shaykh : ... End of section
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : Whoever says the Qur'an is created is a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Is this correct?
The Shaykh : Correct.
The questioner : All right, Shaykh, with Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal, al-Mu'tasim said the Qur'an is created, and al-Ma'mun ... did he not rise against him?
The Shaykh : What?
The questioner : He did not rise against him, even though he is a disbeliever, and one rises against a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : Imam Ahmad (may Allah have mercy on him) said to al-Ma'mun: "O Commander of the Faithful," addressing him thus, because al-Ma'mun had a group of followers who confused the matter for him, so the issue became muddled for him. The people of the Sunnah and the community distinguish between the one who is obstinate and the one who interprets [the text figuratively], so it was muddled for him. We ask Allah for well-being. Yes.
I hear.
The reciter: In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Bestower of Mercy.
The Shaykh : ... End of section