Does the lack of explicitness in this hadith not give preference to the position of the Zahiris?
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The questioner : The lack of explicitness in this hadith, O Shaykh, does it not give preference to the position of the Zahiris?
The Shaykh : No, perhaps the Zahiris will be free from it. I say, perhaps the Zahiris will be free from it. I fear that it may be an argument against them. It is neither for them nor against them, but their argument is the hadith that the people of the Sunan collections narrated, as I mentioned to you, the hadith of 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'As, which is explicit that he is killed in the fourth instance.
The questioner : Does this not contradict it?
The Shaykh : There is a type of ambiguity in it, because the word: "How many," do you know that "ma" is an expression of wonder? So when the Companions expressed wonder, they said: "How many times he is brought," meaning the listener imagines that he was brought twenty times.
The questioner : Is the hadith they cited more explicit than this, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, we said this a moment ago. We said this has a possibility, and the hadith of 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr is explicit. But as the Shaykh al-Islam said, his statement combines the two positions, that if people do not stop except by killing, he is killed.
The Shaykh : No, perhaps the Zahiris will be free from it. I say, perhaps the Zahiris will be free from it. I fear that it may be an argument against them. It is neither for them nor against them, but their argument is the hadith that the people of the Sunan collections narrated, as I mentioned to you, the hadith of 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr ibn al-'As, which is explicit that he is killed in the fourth instance.
The questioner : Does this not contradict it?
The Shaykh : There is a type of ambiguity in it, because the word: "How many," do you know that "ma" is an expression of wonder? So when the Companions expressed wonder, they said: "How many times he is brought," meaning the listener imagines that he was brought twenty times.
The questioner : Is the hadith they cited more explicit than this, O Shaykh?
The Shaykh : Glory be to Allah, we said this a moment ago. We said this has a possibility, and the hadith of 'Abdullah ibn 'Amr is explicit. But as the Shaykh al-Islam said, his statement combines the two positions, that if people do not stop except by killing, he is killed.