A man who works as a mu'adhdhin in a mosque and has children of legal age who arrive late for prayer, sometimes after the prayer has ended, which has led some of the worshippers
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The questioner : There is a mu'adhdhin in one of the mosques, and he has adult children of legal age. They come to the prayer late, after it has ended and the imam has said the taslim, and this is in most cases. The imam discussed this matter with the mu'adhdhin, and the mu'adhdhin said: They have the reward of the congregation even if they do not catch the first congregation and pray with the second congregation. The important thing is that they come to pray in the mosque, and they have a reward for that, meaning they do not miss the twenty-seven degrees. And this man is blind.
The Shaykh : The mu'adhdhin or the imam?
The questioner : No, the mu'adhdhin. So the imam tried to convince this mu'adhdhin that he must order them to pray, because as a mu'adhdhin, you are a role model. The imam witnessed that most of the worshippers are late for prayer on the excuse that they saw the mu'adhdhin's children being late, and they are grown men. So he found no result. Is this imam allowed to show some harshness, either to the father or to the children, or should he take them in a way that you see fit? May Allah reward you with good?
The Shaykh : The answer to this question has two parts:
The first part: It is not permissible to follow those who neglect the obligatory, so you do not leave the obligatory because so-and-so does not perform it. You are responsible for yourself:[Al-An'am 6:116], so it is not permissible for a person to say: I am not praying with the congregation because the mu'adhdhin's children are not praying. This is not an excuse before Allah the Exalted.
Likewise, it is not permissible for a person to do what is forbidden and say so-and-so does it, even if it is a student of knowledge who does this forbidden act. It is not permissible for a person to do it because this person does it. You are responsible for yourself, and you are responsible for what you answered the messengers with:[Al-Qasas 28:65].
As for the mu'adhdhin, which is the second part:
It is obligatory for him to order his children, and to beat them for it when they reach ten years of age, until they perform the prayer with the congregation. There is no blame on him in this situation if, when he calls the adhan, he goes and wakes them up and brings them to the mosque, because leaving here is for an excuse, and he will return and pray in the mosque.
As for the imam, first: He should not discuss the mu'adhdhin in front of the people, but he should discuss it with him privately between himself and him. If the mu'adhdhin claims that he cannot bring them to the mosque, there are responsible authorities that can bring them, such as the Commission for Promoting Virtue and Prohibiting Vice, who can bring them by compulsion, because these are among those for whom congregational prayer is obligatory.
As for the mu'adhdhin's statement that if they pray in the mosque, even after the first congregation, they have the reward of twenty-seven degrees, this is not correct. The reward of twenty-seven degrees is in the first congregation only. As for the second, there is no doubt that praying in congregation is better than praying alone, because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said regarding a man who entered and missed the prayer:, and because he (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Bulugh al-Maram 2:330, but that the second congregation obtains the reward of the first congregation, this is not correct. Otherwise, every people would go to the mosque whenever they wish, and pray in congregation and say we took the reward of twenty-seven degrees. And I do not know anyone who said this, meaning that the second prayer is like the first prayer in obtaining the reward of twenty-seven degrees. Yes.
The Shaykh : The mu'adhdhin or the imam?
The questioner : No, the mu'adhdhin. So the imam tried to convince this mu'adhdhin that he must order them to pray, because as a mu'adhdhin, you are a role model. The imam witnessed that most of the worshippers are late for prayer on the excuse that they saw the mu'adhdhin's children being late, and they are grown men. So he found no result. Is this imam allowed to show some harshness, either to the father or to the children, or should he take them in a way that you see fit? May Allah reward you with good?
The Shaykh : The answer to this question has two parts:
The first part: It is not permissible to follow those who neglect the obligatory, so you do not leave the obligatory because so-and-so does not perform it. You are responsible for yourself:
And if you obey most of those upon the earth, they will mislead you from the way of Allah
وَإِنْ تُطِعْ أَكْثَرَ مَنْ فِي الْأَرْضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَنْ سَبِيلِ اللَّهِLikewise, it is not permissible for a person to do what is forbidden and say so-and-so does it, even if it is a student of knowledge who does this forbidden act. It is not permissible for a person to do it because this person does it. You are responsible for yourself, and you are responsible for what you answered the messengers with:
And [mention] the Day He will call them and say, "What did you answer the messengers?"
وَيَوْمَ يُنَادِيهِمْ فَيَقُولُ مَاذَا أَجَبْتُمُ الْمُرْسَلِينَAs for the mu'adhdhin, which is the second part:
It is obligatory for him to order his children, and to beat them for it when they reach ten years of age, until they perform the prayer with the congregation. There is no blame on him in this situation if, when he calls the adhan, he goes and wakes them up and brings them to the mosque, because leaving here is for an excuse, and he will return and pray in the mosque.
As for the imam, first: He should not discuss the mu'adhdhin in front of the people, but he should discuss it with him privately between himself and him. If the mu'adhdhin claims that he cannot bring them to the mosque, there are responsible authorities that can bring them, such as the Commission for Promoting Virtue and Prohibiting Vice, who can bring them by compulsion, because these are among those for whom congregational prayer is obligatory.
As for the mu'adhdhin's statement that if they pray in the mosque, even after the first congregation, they have the reward of twenty-seven degrees, this is not correct. The reward of twenty-seven degrees is in the first congregation only. As for the second, there is no doubt that praying in congregation is better than praying alone, because the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said regarding a man who entered and missed the prayer:
