Review and discussion under the chapter on removing and explaining ritual impurities
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The Shaykh : He (may Allah have mercy on him) mentioned in his explanation of ritual impurities, their types, and how they are removed, what was transmitted from Anas (may Allah be pleased with him). Before we begin tonight’s lesson, we ask about what came before: What is the meaning of khamr (intoxicants)?
The student: Everything that covers the intellect.
The Shaykh : Covers the intellect, meaning what?
The student: It covered it.
The Shaykh : It covered it, complete the answer?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It covered it in what way?
The student: For pleasure and enjoyment.
The Shaykh : For pleasure and enjoyment, well done. This qualification is a precaution against what?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, like fainting, anesthesia, and the like. Now, does our statement that it covers the intellect for pleasure and enjoyment include what is smelled, drunk, and eaten? Aqeeli, are you there?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It includes what is eaten, drunk, and smelled. Do you agree with this?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Now, what is the meaning of the phrase “it is made into vinegar”? The brother on the pillar?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, “it is made into vinegar” means what?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : “It is made” means it is turned into.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It is turned into vinegar? Khamr is turned into vinegar? Are you listening?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Now, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: Does this indicate a prohibition or a preference?
The student: A prohibition.
The Shaykh : A prohibition, because that is the original ruling. Now, how is it pickled?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, it is pickled through processing. The discussion is that it is pickled through processing, meaning it has methods, but we will mention one method from what we mentioned that day in the previous lesson.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: Acids are added to it...
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: So it becomes pickled.
The Shaykh : Meaning something is added to it that makes it pickle, such as acids or pure vinegar. Now, does the hadith include the case where it is pickled with something that prevents it from fermenting? Ibrahim?
The student: It is not included.
The Shaykh : Meaning... something is added to it before it becomes khamr so that it does not ferment?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Why?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : And the hadith was asked about khamr being made into vinegar. Now, well done. What is the wisdom behind the prohibition? Saleh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because khamr must be poured out, and preserving it to be pickled through processing contradicts the obligation of...?
The student: Pouring it out.
The Shaykh : Now, well done. If the khamr turned into vinegar by itself, meaning a man had grape juice and left it for ten days, and when he came back he found it had fermented and saw the effect of boiling on the container, and then found it had dropped, meaning it had turned into vinegar?
The student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Is it pure and lawful?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Pure and lawful, do you agree?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes. Now, because it was not pickled through processing. Now, if he processed it and pickled it, and the one who permits khamr in his religion did it? Samir?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : There is a difference of opinion, and some scholars said...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : And which one is stronger?
The student: That it is permissible.
The Shaykh : That it is permissible, yes, because it reached the Muslim in a state that is...?
The student: Not forbidden.
The Shaykh : In a state that is not forbidden, because it became vinegar by the action of someone for whom pickling it is permissible in his religion. Why did the author bring this hadith in the chapter on explaining impurity?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Were you not with us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : ... brave, yes, Abd al-Rahman?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Based on the fact that khamr is...?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Impure, now, is that correct?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And we have mentioned to you that the stronger opinion regarding khamr is that it is not impure. On this basis, it is not appropriate to bring the hadith in the chapter on removing impurity, but rather it is brought in the chapter on foods and drinks. Now, we move on to a new lesson.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: We did not finish the benefits.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The student: Everything that covers the intellect.
The Shaykh : Covers the intellect, meaning what?
The student: It covered it.
The Shaykh : It covered it, complete the answer?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It covered it in what way?
The student: For pleasure and enjoyment.
The Shaykh : For pleasure and enjoyment, well done. This qualification is a precaution against what?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, like fainting, anesthesia, and the like. Now, does our statement that it covers the intellect for pleasure and enjoyment include what is smelled, drunk, and eaten? Aqeeli, are you there?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It includes what is eaten, drunk, and smelled. Do you agree with this?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Now, what is the meaning of the phrase “it is made into vinegar”? The brother on the pillar?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, “it is made into vinegar” means what?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : “It is made” means it is turned into.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : It is turned into vinegar? Khamr is turned into vinegar? Are you listening?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Now, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
No.
لاThe student: A prohibition.
The Shaykh : A prohibition, because that is the original ruling. Now, how is it pickled?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, it is pickled through processing. The discussion is that it is pickled through processing, meaning it has methods, but we will mention one method from what we mentioned that day in the previous lesson.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, indeed.
The student: Acids are added to it...
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: So it becomes pickled.
The Shaykh : Meaning something is added to it that makes it pickle, such as acids or pure vinegar. Now, does the hadith include the case where it is pickled with something that prevents it from fermenting? Ibrahim?
The student: It is not included.
The Shaykh : Meaning... something is added to it before it becomes khamr so that it does not ferment?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Why?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : And the hadith was asked about khamr being made into vinegar. Now, well done. What is the wisdom behind the prohibition? Saleh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because khamr must be poured out, and preserving it to be pickled through processing contradicts the obligation of...?
The student: Pouring it out.
The Shaykh : Now, well done. If the khamr turned into vinegar by itself, meaning a man had grape juice and left it for ten days, and when he came back he found it had fermented and saw the effect of boiling on the container, and then found it had dropped, meaning it had turned into vinegar?
The student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: Pure.
The Shaykh : Is it pure and lawful?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Pure and lawful, do you agree?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Yes. Now, because it was not pickled through processing. Now, if he processed it and pickled it, and the one who permits khamr in his religion did it? Samir?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : There is a difference of opinion, and some scholars said...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : And which one is stronger?
The student: That it is permissible.
The Shaykh : That it is permissible, yes, because it reached the Muslim in a state that is...?
The student: Not forbidden.
The Shaykh : In a state that is not forbidden, because it became vinegar by the action of someone for whom pickling it is permissible in his religion. Why did the author bring this hadith in the chapter on explaining impurity?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Were you not with us?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : ... brave, yes, Abd al-Rahman?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Based on the fact that khamr is...?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Impure, now, is that correct?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : And we have mentioned to you that the stronger opinion regarding khamr is that it is not impure. On this basis, it is not appropriate to bring the hadith in the chapter on removing impurity, but rather it is brought in the chapter on foods and drinks. Now, we move on to a new lesson.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: We did not finish the benefits.
The Shaykh : Very well.