Review and Discussion under the Chapter of Vessels
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The Shaykh : Yes
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and may Allah send prayers upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and his Companions, and upon those who follow them with excellence until the Day of Judgment.
The Chapter of Vessels has two connections; what are they? The Chapter of Vessels has two connections; what are they? Yes, yes.
The student: Water is a flowing substance.
The Shaykh : No, two connections means it is mentioned in two places; are there two places where it is appropriate to mention it?
The student: It is mentioned in the chapter of foods.
The Shaykh : In the chapter of foods and in...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : ...Okay, what is its connection to the chapter of drinks and foods?
The student: Drinks and foods?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Its connection is apparent, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Apparent.
The student: Because food and drink require a container to hold them.
The Shaykh : Okay, and in the chapter of purification?
The student: And in the chapter of purification, since water is a flowing substance, it requires a vessel to contain this water.
The Shaykh : Okay, and why did he choose...
The student: He chose it to prioritize the need for it.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: They mentioned it in the chapter of waters because they mention a thing at its first opportunity.
The Shaykh : Okay, did you understand?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, what is the original ruling regarding vessels?
The student: The original ruling regarding vessels is...
The Shaykh : Permissibility; what is the evidence?
The student: The absence of evidence.
The Shaykh : The evidence is the absence of evidence; absence of evidence for what?
The student: For prohibition.
The Shaykh : For prohibition; may Allah reward you. And what is the positive evidence, because the evidence we mentioned is negative? What is the positive evidence?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : This is a reasoning.
The student: The saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)Sunan Abi Dawud 3723Sahih (Al-Albani) ...
The Shaykh : It indicates that the original ruling is permissibility.
The student :[Al-Baqarah 2:29].
The Shaykh : Well done. This is... His saying, the Exalted:[Al-Baqarah 2:29] So, everything on earth is for us except what there is evidence to prohibit.
Why is eating and drinking in gold and silver vessels forbidden? Abdullah al-Afghani?
The student: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) reasoned that this is for the disbelievers in this world and for us in the Hereafter.
The Shaykh : Yes, that it is for them in this world and for us in the Hereafter. So, their good things were hastened for them in this world and they were made to live in luxury, whereas for us, that is in the Hereafter. Is that clear? Okay, look, Subhan Allah, consider those who have committed crimes: when they pass by the believers, they laugh and wink at them, and the believers on the Day of Resurrection will laugh at the disbelievers. It is always a contrast: for us is the Hereafter, and for them is this world.
Okay, does the hadith indicate the permissibility of using gold and silver vessels for other than eating and drinking? Yes.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Were you not present? Yes, what is the evidence?
The student: The evidence is his saying (peace and blessings be upon him)...
The Shaykh : So he prohibited drinking and eating, which indicates that everything else is permissible. For example, a person has a vessel in which he puts medicine, whether it is of gold or of silver.
Okay, some scholars provided reasonings for the prohibition of drinking in gold and silver vessels and eating in their plates. Mention one of them?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, is this reasoning defective or sound?
The student: No, it is a defective reasoning.
The Shaykh : How?
The student: It is contrary to the reasoning given by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Okay, it is contrary to the reasoning given by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), because the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) reasoned, right? Second one?
The student: Restricting the two currencies, so we would also prohibit jewelry.
The Shaykh : If we said that this is the cause, we would also prohibit jewelry, right? Okay, because it is restrictive. Another reasoning?
The student: So that the heart of the poor person is not broken.
The Shaykh : Yes, so that the heart of the poor person is not broken. Okay, is this sound?
The student: No, because if it were based on this...
The Shaykh : We would prohibit riding in luxurious cars and building palaces and so on. Okay, Hamid?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes... Okay, and is this cause correct?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, why?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, this is a refutation of the first one that the brother said.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Correct.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, if it were so, we would say that other precious stones which are more expensive than gold and silver are not permissible to drink from, even though it is permissible. Also, extravagance is not specific to a particular thing.
We mentioned a story that was the cause of Hudhayfah narrating this hadith, and it indicates the permissibility of using gold and silver vessels for eating and drinking. Come on, Jamal?
The student: Hudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with him) was in his palace or in his house...
The Shaykh : He brought him water in a silver vessel.
The student: So he took the vessel and threw it at the cupbearer who brought it to him, and said, "I had forbidden him to serve me in it," then he narrated the hadith.
The Shaykh : Okay, and this indicates that it is permissible to make them and use them for other than drinking and eating, otherwise he would have broken them.
We mentioned in this issue the use of gold and silver in vessels in three ways. Come on, Saleh.
The student: ...Forbidden.
The Shaykh : ...Give me the ways, may Allah reward you. Using them for eating and drinking, and the second?
The student: Making them without using them.
The Shaykh : Making them without using them, like someone who puts them on shelves as decoration, and the third?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: Making them for decoration.
The Shaykh : We mentioned it, yes?
The student: Using them for other than eating and drinking.
The Shaykh : Using them for other than eating and drinking, perfect. The well-known view in the school of thought is that all three are forbidden: making them, using them for other than eating and drinking, and using them for eating and drinking. The correct view is that they are not forbidden except when used for eating and drinking.
Then the author said, we start the new lesson. He said, may Allah have mercy on him: "And from Umm Salama (may Allah be pleased with her), meaning in what was transmitted from her, she said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said" What?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: The benefits.
The Shaykh : Did we not take the benefits?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Okay, is there a mistake? Page 78.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Above or below?
The student: From above.
The Shaykh : From above, what is it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, and the correct word is "more expensive," yes, did you correct it? Page 11.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : 12, did you correct it? Come on, Ihab?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Same page?
The student: Yes, line 13.
The Shaykh : 13 .
The student: There is a mistake in the writing of "al-khiyalah."
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: It was written "ya al-khiyalaa."
The Shaykh : Al-khiyalaa with an alif?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct this mistake.
The student: The line after it also has the same mistake.
The Shaykh : Okay, he will correct it, Saleh?
The student: The mistake is in the date.
The Shaykh : In the date?
The student: ...Yes.
In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and may Allah send prayers upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and his Companions, and upon those who follow them with excellence until the Day of Judgment.
The Chapter of Vessels has two connections; what are they? The Chapter of Vessels has two connections; what are they? Yes, yes.
The student: Water is a flowing substance.
The Shaykh : No, two connections means it is mentioned in two places; are there two places where it is appropriate to mention it?
The student: It is mentioned in the chapter of foods.
The Shaykh : In the chapter of foods and in...
The student: ...
The Shaykh : ...Okay, what is its connection to the chapter of drinks and foods?
The student: Drinks and foods?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: Its connection is apparent, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Apparent.
The student: Because food and drink require a container to hold them.
The Shaykh : Okay, and in the chapter of purification?
The student: And in the chapter of purification, since water is a flowing substance, it requires a vessel to contain this water.
The Shaykh : Okay, and why did he choose...
The student: He chose it to prioritize the need for it.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: They mentioned it in the chapter of waters because they mention a thing at its first opportunity.
The Shaykh : Okay, did you understand?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, what is the original ruling regarding vessels?
The student: The original ruling regarding vessels is...
The Shaykh : Permissibility; what is the evidence?
The student: The absence of evidence.
The Shaykh : The evidence is the absence of evidence; absence of evidence for what?
The student: For prohibition.
The Shaykh : For prohibition; may Allah reward you. And what is the positive evidence, because the evidence we mentioned is negative? What is the positive evidence?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : This is a reasoning.
The student: The saying of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)
to drink from gold and silver vessels
لا تأكلوا في آنية الذهب والفضةThe Shaykh : It indicates that the original ruling is permissibility.
The student :
It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth
هو الذي خلق لكم ما في الأرض جميعًاThe Shaykh : Well done. This is... His saying, the Exalted:
It is He who created for you all of that which is on the earth
هو الذي خلق لكم ما في الأرض جميعًاWhy is eating and drinking in gold and silver vessels forbidden? Abdullah al-Afghani?
The student: The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) reasoned that this is for the disbelievers in this world and for us in the Hereafter.
The Shaykh : Yes, that it is for them in this world and for us in the Hereafter. So, their good things were hastened for them in this world and they were made to live in luxury, whereas for us, that is in the Hereafter. Is that clear? Okay, look, Subhan Allah, consider those who have committed crimes: when they pass by the believers, they laugh and wink at them, and the believers on the Day of Resurrection will laugh at the disbelievers. It is always a contrast: for us is the Hereafter, and for them is this world.
Okay, does the hadith indicate the permissibility of using gold and silver vessels for other than eating and drinking? Yes.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Were you not present? Yes, what is the evidence?
The student: The evidence is his saying (peace and blessings be upon him)...
The Shaykh : So he prohibited drinking and eating, which indicates that everything else is permissible. For example, a person has a vessel in which he puts medicine, whether it is of gold or of silver.
Okay, some scholars provided reasonings for the prohibition of drinking in gold and silver vessels and eating in their plates. Mention one of them?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, is this reasoning defective or sound?
The student: No, it is a defective reasoning.
The Shaykh : How?
The student: It is contrary to the reasoning given by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).
The Shaykh : Okay, it is contrary to the reasoning given by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), because the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) reasoned, right? Second one?
The student: Restricting the two currencies, so we would also prohibit jewelry.
The Shaykh : If we said that this is the cause, we would also prohibit jewelry, right? Okay, because it is restrictive. Another reasoning?
The student: So that the heart of the poor person is not broken.
The Shaykh : Yes, so that the heart of the poor person is not broken. Okay, is this sound?
The student: No, because if it were based on this...
The Shaykh : We would prohibit riding in luxurious cars and building palaces and so on. Okay, Hamid?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes... Okay, and is this cause correct?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, why?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, this is a refutation of the first one that the brother said.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Correct.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, if it were so, we would say that other precious stones which are more expensive than gold and silver are not permissible to drink from, even though it is permissible. Also, extravagance is not specific to a particular thing.
We mentioned a story that was the cause of Hudhayfah narrating this hadith, and it indicates the permissibility of using gold and silver vessels for eating and drinking. Come on, Jamal?
The student: Hudhayfah (may Allah be pleased with him) was in his palace or in his house...
The Shaykh : He brought him water in a silver vessel.
The student: So he took the vessel and threw it at the cupbearer who brought it to him, and said, "I had forbidden him to serve me in it," then he narrated the hadith.
The Shaykh : Okay, and this indicates that it is permissible to make them and use them for other than drinking and eating, otherwise he would have broken them.
We mentioned in this issue the use of gold and silver in vessels in three ways. Come on, Saleh.
The student: ...Forbidden.
The Shaykh : ...Give me the ways, may Allah reward you. Using them for eating and drinking, and the second?
The student: Making them without using them.
The Shaykh : Making them without using them, like someone who puts them on shelves as decoration, and the third?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: Making them for decoration.
The Shaykh : We mentioned it, yes?
The student: Using them for other than eating and drinking.
The Shaykh : Using them for other than eating and drinking, perfect. The well-known view in the school of thought is that all three are forbidden: making them, using them for other than eating and drinking, and using them for eating and drinking. The correct view is that they are not forbidden except when used for eating and drinking.
Then the author said, we start the new lesson. He said, may Allah have mercy on him: "And from Umm Salama (may Allah be pleased with her), meaning in what was transmitted from her, she said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said" What?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What?
The student: The benefits.
The Shaykh : Did we not take the benefits?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Okay, is there a mistake? Page 78.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Above or below?
The student: From above.
The Shaykh : From above, what is it?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Yes, and the correct word is "more expensive," yes, did you correct it? Page 11.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : 12, did you correct it? Come on, Ihab?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Same page?
The student: Yes, line 13.
The Shaykh : 13 .
The student: There is a mistake in the writing of "al-khiyalah."
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: It was written "ya al-khiyalaa."
The Shaykh : Al-khiyalaa with an alif?
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct this mistake.
The student: The line after it also has the same mistake.
The Shaykh : Okay, he will correct it, Saleh?
The student: The mistake is in the date.
The Shaykh : In the date?
The student: ...Yes.