Reading from the poet's words: "And he decreed that Allah is not an actor..." to his words: "...and no revelation, nor any obligation upon a servant, so let it be."
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The Shaykh : These proofs, good.
The reader: "And he decreed that Allah is not an actor *** Acting in a way that stands with Him without proof".
The Shaykh : His saying: "without proof" is connected to "decreed," meaning he decreed this and he has no evidence for it.
The reader: "And he decreed that Allah is not an actor *** Acting in a way that stands with Him without proof
But the created act is outside His essence *** Like an attribute that is not the essence in estimation
And compulsion is his school which he affirmed *** The eyes of the sinners and the partisans of Satan
They were in fear of this disobedience *** It is their act"
The Shaykh : Since, the disobedience
The reader: "They were in fear of this disobedience ***"
The Shaykh : Since it is their act
The reader: "They were in fear of disobedience since *** It is their act and the sin is for the human
And the blame does not go beyond him since he is the actor *** By the will and power of the animal
So Jahm and his partisans relieved them from the *** Severe blame and they did not find safety
But they loaded their sins upon *** The Lord of the servants with arrogance and safety
And they disavowed them and said they are *** His acts, what is the human's recourse?
The Compeller did not burden a soul with what is beyond its capacity *** How, when it was compelled to disobedience?
And likewise, the acts of obedience have also become *** Compelled, so for them there is compulsion
And the servant in reality is like an ostrich *** Burdened with carrying and flying".
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, "And the servant in reality is like an ostrich *** Burdened with carrying and flying
Since its form indicates both *** This, and it has no hands for that" Yes.
The reader: "Since its form indicates both *** This, and it has no hands for that
So for that he said that the obedience of people *** And likewise what they did of disobedience
Is the very act of the Lord, not their acts *** So he cries out about them at this"
The Shaykh : It is valid
The reader: "Is the very act of the Lord, not their acts *** So it is valid about them at this two negations
Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing"
The Shaykh : ...
The reader: "Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing from them" Negation
The Shaykh : By a second negation
The reader: "Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing from them by a second negation
It is said they did not fast and they did not pray and they did not *** Give zakah and they did not slaughter from the offering
And likewise they did not drink and they did not kill and they did not *** Steal and there is no deviant fornicator among them"
The Shaykh : ...
The reader: "And likewise they did not drink and they did not kill and they did not *** Steal and there is no deviant fornicator among them
And likewise they did not come by their choice *** With disbelief and Islam and faith
Except in the sense of metaphor because they *** Stood with them like taste and colors
They were compelled to what their Creator willed *** There is no one who helps and no one who is helped"
The Shaykh : And no one
The reader: "They were compelled to what their Creator willed *** There is no one who helps and no one who is helped
And all are compelled and not facilitated *** Like the dead wrapped inside the shrouds
And likewise the acts of the two dominators did not stand *** With them either, out of fear of events
So if you combine their two statements, they produce *** A lie and a falsehood, clear slander
Since the acts are not the act of our God *** And the Lord is not an actor of disobedience
So if the attribute of the deity and His act *** And His speech and the deeds of humans are negated
Then there is no creation and no command and no *** Revelation and no obligation upon a servant, so let it be"
And he decreed upon...
The reader: "And he decreed that Allah is not an actor *** Acting in a way that stands with Him without proof".
The Shaykh : His saying: "without proof" is connected to "decreed," meaning he decreed this and he has no evidence for it.
The reader: "And he decreed that Allah is not an actor *** Acting in a way that stands with Him without proof
But the created act is outside His essence *** Like an attribute that is not the essence in estimation
And compulsion is his school which he affirmed *** The eyes of the sinners and the partisans of Satan
They were in fear of this disobedience *** It is their act"
The Shaykh : Since, the disobedience
The reader: "They were in fear of this disobedience ***"
The Shaykh : Since it is their act
The reader: "They were in fear of disobedience since *** It is their act and the sin is for the human
And the blame does not go beyond him since he is the actor *** By the will and power of the animal
So Jahm and his partisans relieved them from the *** Severe blame and they did not find safety
But they loaded their sins upon *** The Lord of the servants with arrogance and safety
And they disavowed them and said they are *** His acts, what is the human's recourse?
The Compeller did not burden a soul with what is beyond its capacity *** How, when it was compelled to disobedience?
And likewise, the acts of obedience have also become *** Compelled, so for them there is compulsion
And the servant in reality is like an ostrich *** Burdened with carrying and flying".
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, "And the servant in reality is like an ostrich *** Burdened with carrying and flying
Since its form indicates both *** This, and it has no hands for that" Yes.
The reader: "Since its form indicates both *** This, and it has no hands for that
So for that he said that the obedience of people *** And likewise what they did of disobedience
Is the very act of the Lord, not their acts *** So he cries out about them at this"
The Shaykh : It is valid
The reader: "Is the very act of the Lord, not their acts *** So it is valid about them at this two negations
Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing"
The Shaykh : ...
The reader: "Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing from them" Negation
The Shaykh : By a second negation
The reader: "Negation of their power over it first *** And its issuing from them by a second negation
It is said they did not fast and they did not pray and they did not *** Give zakah and they did not slaughter from the offering
And likewise they did not drink and they did not kill and they did not *** Steal and there is no deviant fornicator among them"
The Shaykh : ...
The reader: "And likewise they did not drink and they did not kill and they did not *** Steal and there is no deviant fornicator among them
And likewise they did not come by their choice *** With disbelief and Islam and faith
Except in the sense of metaphor because they *** Stood with them like taste and colors
They were compelled to what their Creator willed *** There is no one who helps and no one who is helped"
The Shaykh : And no one
The reader: "They were compelled to what their Creator willed *** There is no one who helps and no one who is helped
And all are compelled and not facilitated *** Like the dead wrapped inside the shrouds
And likewise the acts of the two dominators did not stand *** With them either, out of fear of events
So if you combine their two statements, they produce *** A lie and a falsehood, clear slander
Since the acts are not the act of our God *** And the Lord is not an actor of disobedience
So if the attribute of the deity and His act *** And His speech and the deeds of humans are negated
Then there is no creation and no command and no *** Revelation and no obligation upon a servant, so let it be"
And he decreed upon...