Discussion of the doctrine of the Mu'tazilah, and clarification of the Rafidah's doctrine in creed. The difference between the Jahmiyyah and the Mu'tazilah
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The Shaykh :"But the people of the Mu'tazilah, the early ones *** did not follow this Satanic path
They are those who withdrew from al-Hasan *** al-Rida al-Basri, that divine scholar"
The people of the Mu'tazilah, 'Umar ibn 'Abd and Wasil ibn 'Ata, did not follow this path in the beginning, meaning: they did not adopt this denial, the denial of speech, the denial of love, but later they took this direction, like the Rafidah. The Rafidah were originally anthropomorphists; Hisham ibn al-Hakam the Rafidi was the first to speak of likening Allah to creation, but later they abandoned likening Allah to creation, which is exaggeration in affirming attributes, and they turned to denial, which is exaggeration in transcending attributes, and they became like the Mu'tazilah in negating the attributes.
"But their later followers after that *** agreed with Jahm in disbelief
So they became the Jahmiyyah of the Mu'tazilah *** their garment has become known for two colors"
Two colors means two lines, a red line and a black line, yes, withdrawal from one aspect, and Jahmism from another aspect. For this reason, the Mu'tazilah agreed with the Jahmiyyah in negating the attributes, but they differed from them in the issue of the threat and the rulings. In the issue of the threat and the rulings, the Jahmiyyah say: every open sinner, every rebel, every devil is a believer with complete faith, and he will not be touched by punishment. This suits the open sinners of this age.
The Mu'tazilah say: if a person commits one major sin, he becomes one of the people of the Fire. So there is a great difference between them. These say he is a believer with complete faith who will not be touched by punishment and is in Paradise, and these say: he has exited from faith and deserves eternal abode in the Fire, may Allah protect us. So they have two garments, a garment of Jahm in?
The student : In the attributes.
The Shaykh : In the attributes, they are denied, and a garment of Mu'tazilah in the issue of names and rulings.
They are those who withdrew from al-Hasan *** al-Rida al-Basri, that divine scholar"
The people of the Mu'tazilah, 'Umar ibn 'Abd and Wasil ibn 'Ata, did not follow this path in the beginning, meaning: they did not adopt this denial, the denial of speech, the denial of love, but later they took this direction, like the Rafidah. The Rafidah were originally anthropomorphists; Hisham ibn al-Hakam the Rafidi was the first to speak of likening Allah to creation, but later they abandoned likening Allah to creation, which is exaggeration in affirming attributes, and they turned to denial, which is exaggeration in transcending attributes, and they became like the Mu'tazilah in negating the attributes.
"But their later followers after that *** agreed with Jahm in disbelief
So they became the Jahmiyyah of the Mu'tazilah *** their garment has become known for two colors"
Two colors means two lines, a red line and a black line, yes, withdrawal from one aspect, and Jahmism from another aspect. For this reason, the Mu'tazilah agreed with the Jahmiyyah in negating the attributes, but they differed from them in the issue of the threat and the rulings. In the issue of the threat and the rulings, the Jahmiyyah say: every open sinner, every rebel, every devil is a believer with complete faith, and he will not be touched by punishment. This suits the open sinners of this age.
The Mu'tazilah say: if a person commits one major sin, he becomes one of the people of the Fire. So there is a great difference between them. These say he is a believer with complete faith who will not be touched by punishment and is in Paradise, and these say: he has exited from faith and deserves eternal abode in the Fire, may Allah protect us. So they have two garments, a garment of Jahm in?
The student : In the attributes.
The Shaykh : In the attributes, they are denied, and a garment of Mu'tazilah in the issue of names and rulings.