Discussion regarding the issue of the camel kneeling?
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The Shaykh : The issue of the camel kneeling: in my opinion, the Arabs should know this linguistic fact first, and the legal fact second. So I wonder how the Arabs are unaware of this fact. What is your opinion on the matter, linguistically and legally?
The student : Linguistically, nothing has become clear to me regarding it.
The Shaykh : Nothing has become clear to you?
The student : Linguistically, nothing has become clear to me because... the author of Lisan al-Arab... transmitted some reports, and legally, the hadiths that contain...
The Shaykh : Excuse me, let us pause for a moment. How did it not become clear to you? Do the language books differ on this matter?
The student : No, I mean, I do not mean whether it is the hands, the knees, in the hands, or whether it is, I mean, the posture.
The Shaykh : No, I mean this: what does the camel kneel on?
The student : On its hands.
The Shaykh : No, it walks on its hands; it always walks on its hands and legs together.
The student: Of course.
The Shaykh : Okay, so what does it kneel on?
The student : It kneels on its hands.
The Shaykh : ... The same answer. It walks on four legs.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : As you know, may Allah reward you, the calf.
The student : No, I mean its descent.
The Shaykh: If you permit.
The student: Go ahead.
The Shaykh : When the calf falls from its mother's belly, it falls on four legs, and consequently it walks on four legs. So it is not correct for us to say it places its hands or places its legs, because they are all placed. So the question is: what does the camel kneel on? Or, more precisely, what is the thing that touches the ground before anything else? Do we say its hands? No. Do we say its legs? No. So what do we say? When the camel kneels and becomes close to the ground, what touches the ground?
The student : ... Because it touches the ground with its knees.
The Shaykh : I do not want that; I want to know what the Arabs say?
The student : I told you, our Shaykh, that nothing has become clear to me in this matter?
The Shaykh : It returns to the previous question: what has become clear to you, because the scholars of the Arabic language differed?
The student : This is the statement of Ibn al-Qayyim.
The Shaykh : The statement of Ibn al-Qayyim is excusable in what occurred from him because he composed it while traveling, and the statement of Ibn al-Qayyim is refuted linguistically and legally. So, in the transmitted, written, and preserved language in the books of language...
The student : Linguistically, nothing has become clear to me regarding it.
The Shaykh : Nothing has become clear to you?
The student : Linguistically, nothing has become clear to me because... the author of Lisan al-Arab... transmitted some reports, and legally, the hadiths that contain...
The Shaykh : Excuse me, let us pause for a moment. How did it not become clear to you? Do the language books differ on this matter?
The student : No, I mean, I do not mean whether it is the hands, the knees, in the hands, or whether it is, I mean, the posture.
The Shaykh : No, I mean this: what does the camel kneel on?
The student : On its hands.
The Shaykh : No, it walks on its hands; it always walks on its hands and legs together.
The student: Of course.
The Shaykh : Okay, so what does it kneel on?
The student : It kneels on its hands.
The Shaykh : ... The same answer. It walks on four legs.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : As you know, may Allah reward you, the calf.
The student : No, I mean its descent.
The Shaykh: If you permit.
The student: Go ahead.
The Shaykh : When the calf falls from its mother's belly, it falls on four legs, and consequently it walks on four legs. So it is not correct for us to say it places its hands or places its legs, because they are all placed. So the question is: what does the camel kneel on? Or, more precisely, what is the thing that touches the ground before anything else? Do we say its hands? No. Do we say its legs? No. So what do we say? When the camel kneels and becomes close to the ground, what touches the ground?
The student : ... Because it touches the ground with its knees.
The Shaykh : I do not want that; I want to know what the Arabs say?
The student : I told you, our Shaykh, that nothing has become clear to me in this matter?
The Shaykh : It returns to the previous question: what has become clear to you, because the scholars of the Arabic language differed?
The student : This is the statement of Ibn al-Qayyim.
The Shaykh : The statement of Ibn al-Qayyim is excusable in what occurred from him because he composed it while traveling, and the statement of Ibn al-Qayyim is refuted linguistically and legally. So, in the transmitted, written, and preserved language in the books of language...
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