The Shadhili Sufi Order and Boycotting Its Followers if There Is a Benefit
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I have relatives who belong to the Shadhili Sufi order. I have fulfilled my duty of advising them, but they did not accept the advice. We ask you, may Allah bless you and your knowledge, for a word that might be accepted by them, so that I may have established the proof against them? And do you see any merit in boycotting them if they turn away from the advice? Is this cutting off family ties, considering that they are my relatives? May Allah reward you with good.The Shaykh: Do you know anything about this order?The questioner: I do not know.
The Shaykh: How can you deny what you do not know?Say: In that case, I withdraw and do not deny it. Does any of you know the Shadhili order? I do not know it.
One of the attendees: They have innovative ideas, meaning: they gather in places, for example at night after the 'Isha' prayer, and sit saying things that are not known.Like their saying: "Haw haw" in collective dhikr.
The Shaykh: Meaning: they seek nearness to Allah through this?One of the attendees: Yes, they seek nearness to Allah through this.
The Shaykh: In any case, there is no doubt that it is a blameworthy religious innovation; because "haw haw", what does this mean? It is a pronoun that has no beginning and no referent, and I fear—also—That they say: "Haw haw", they mean the entire creation, so they may have intended oneness or union.
We do not know.
The questioner: O Shaykh! They consider the verse to be a type of the name of Allah.Allah the Exalted said: [al-Hashr: 22] They take this verse as the Greatest Name of Allah.
The Shaykh: In any case, their statement is blameworthy, and perhaps they conceal themselves behind this statement. Pronouns in themselves have no meaning; they are letters that have no meaning in themselves except according to their referent. So in any case, deny this order. And if you see a benefit in boycotting them, boycott them. If you do not see a benefit, do not boycott them.
The Shaykh: How can you deny what you do not know?Say: In that case, I withdraw and do not deny it. Does any of you know the Shadhili order? I do not know it.
One of the attendees: They have innovative ideas, meaning: they gather in places, for example at night after the 'Isha' prayer, and sit saying things that are not known.Like their saying: "Haw haw" in collective dhikr.
The Shaykh: Meaning: they seek nearness to Allah through this?One of the attendees: Yes, they seek nearness to Allah through this.
The Shaykh: In any case, there is no doubt that it is a blameworthy religious innovation; because "haw haw", what does this mean? It is a pronoun that has no beginning and no referent, and I fear—also—That they say: "Haw haw", they mean the entire creation, so they may have intended oneness or union.
We do not know.
The questioner: O Shaykh! They consider the verse to be a type of the name of Allah.Allah the Exalted said:
It is He, Allah, there is no god but He
هُوَ اللَّهُ الَّذِي لا إِلَهَ إِلَّا هُوَThe Shaykh: In any case, their statement is blameworthy, and perhaps they conceal themselves behind this statement. Pronouns in themselves have no meaning; they are letters that have no meaning in themselves except according to their referent. So in any case, deny this order. And if you see a benefit in boycotting them, boycott them. If you do not see a benefit, do not boycott them.