How do we reconcile the verse (( until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread )) with the hadith ( if one of you hears the call to prayer and the vessel is in his hand, let him not put it down until he has relieved himself )
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The questioner: [Al-Baqarah 2:187] , how do we reconcile this with that.
The Shaykh: No, that was not the question.
The questioner: No, that is what I want.
The Shaykh: No, let me allow you a moment. You started this speech of yours regarding drinking, and this means you acknowledge drinking but do not acknowledge eating, is this not the meaning of the speech?
The questioner: Perhaps
The Shaykh: No, this "perhaps" comes with argumentation, but in your heart there is no "perhaps."
The questioner : Okay, yes.
The Shaykh: Do you mean the one for whom there is no blame?
The questioner: This is what I mean.
The Shaykh: So this is it, and that is why I told you, you reminded us of the Zahiriyyah, so you returned to say how do we reconcile, meaning you have overturned what you built, as if you want to say now, may Allah reward you, how do we reconcile this thing we believe in regarding the permissibility of drinking from the vessel in my hand even if we discern the dawn, but I do not think you want this.
The questioner: Yes, I do not want this.
The Shaykh: Therefore, I tell you, go your way, withdraw your speech, withdraw your first speech.
The questioner: Consider it withdrawn.
The Shaykh: No, why should I consider it withdrawn? You consider it withdrawn, but you withdraw it yourself until I say, by Allah, it has been withdrawn. Be patient, may Allah guide you, let him be at ease until he completely discharges what is in his heart, because by that the truths of things become clear. As for imposing on him an opinion he has not accepted, this is wrong, or if he is not reassured to proceed with it, this is wrong. So let us investigate now: does the verse contradict the hadith, if we hold to its apparent meaning? I understand the verse in light of the Sunnah, and this is among the virtues of the Sunnah[Al-Baqarah 2:187] to the end of the verse ... and peace be upon you ...
Another questioner: Based on a linguistic need, in reality, when we say "until," it is the end of the limit, but it enters when we say "until that tree," so the tree is included in the matter, it is included in it.
The Shaykh: And it may not enter, so the limit is in the limited.
The questioner: Yes, so from this category, I may carry it to the meaning you mentioned.
The Shaykh: "Perhaps," let us leave it.
The questioner: Meaning, I found an exit for it in this path from the linguistic perspective, when I say "until" the end of the limit, it enters the limited, and Allah knows best.
The Shaykh: Well, in that case, does the hadith contradict the verse or not?
The questioner: It does not contradict in this meaning.
The Shaykh: That is what we seek. Please, what do you want to say... .
Another questioner: The verse is general and the hadith is specific.
The Shaykh: Yes.
until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you from the black thread
حتى يتبين لكم الخيط الأبيض من الخيط الأسود من الفجرThe Shaykh: No, that was not the question.
The questioner: No, that is what I want.
The Shaykh: No, let me allow you a moment. You started this speech of yours regarding drinking, and this means you acknowledge drinking but do not acknowledge eating, is this not the meaning of the speech?
The questioner: Perhaps
The Shaykh: No, this "perhaps" comes with argumentation, but in your heart there is no "perhaps."
The questioner : Okay, yes.
The Shaykh: Do you mean the one for whom there is no blame?
The questioner: This is what I mean.
The Shaykh: So this is it, and that is why I told you, you reminded us of the Zahiriyyah, so you returned to say how do we reconcile, meaning you have overturned what you built, as if you want to say now, may Allah reward you, how do we reconcile this thing we believe in regarding the permissibility of drinking from the vessel in my hand even if we discern the dawn, but I do not think you want this.
The questioner: Yes, I do not want this.
The Shaykh: Therefore, I tell you, go your way, withdraw your speech, withdraw your first speech.
The questioner: Consider it withdrawn.
The Shaykh: No, why should I consider it withdrawn? You consider it withdrawn, but you withdraw it yourself until I say, by Allah, it has been withdrawn. Be patient, may Allah guide you, let him be at ease until he completely discharges what is in his heart, because by that the truths of things become clear. As for imposing on him an opinion he has not accepted, this is wrong, or if he is not reassured to proceed with it, this is wrong. So let us investigate now: does the verse contradict the hadith, if we hold to its apparent meaning? I understand the verse in light of the Sunnah, and this is among the virtues of the Sunnah
And eat and drink until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you
فكلوا واشربوا حتى يتبين لكم الخيط الأبيض ...Another questioner: Based on a linguistic need, in reality, when we say "until," it is the end of the limit, but it enters when we say "until that tree," so the tree is included in the matter, it is included in it.
The Shaykh: And it may not enter, so the limit is in the limited.
The questioner: Yes, so from this category, I may carry it to the meaning you mentioned.
The Shaykh: "Perhaps," let us leave it.
The questioner: Meaning, I found an exit for it in this path from the linguistic perspective, when I say "until" the end of the limit, it enters the limited, and Allah knows best.
The Shaykh: Well, in that case, does the hadith contradict the verse or not?
The questioner: It does not contradict in this meaning.
The Shaykh: That is what we seek. Please, what do you want to say... .
Another questioner: The verse is general and the hadith is specific.
The Shaykh: Yes.
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