The Shaykh’s discussion with a student whose wife is married to a man holding false beliefs
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The questioner : By Allah’s decree, one of the noble sisters came to me, and I do not praise her beyond what is due to Allah (Mighty and Majestic), and I knew her previously.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : She is the wife of Shaykh Yunus, Shaykh Ahmad 'Atiyyah, who is with us in al-Zarqa.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So, truly, my Shaykh, I wanted to advise her in some matters, because in our knowledge, as we have heard from you, this man has deviant matters and things that are not in accordance with the way of the Salaf.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So I said to the sister, I told her, “Do you swear to me by Allah, do you believe that what this brother Yunus does is right for him?” She said to me, “Yes, by Allah, I believe this about him.” So I said to her, “Who preceded him in this matter? Abu Bakr al-Siddiq or 'Umar or any one of the noble Companions who are closest to applying the Book and the Sunnah?”
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : So she was silent, but now, my Shaykh, even though your time is precious, she is listening to you now.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So she is close, meaning to the phone, and she is listening.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Then, if Allah wills, we think that the truth is more worthy to be followed, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So we want from the Shaykh some observations that you know about this man and his call that he brought.
The Shaykh : Okay, this woman, may Allah bless her, is cultured and educated.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : She is educated in the sacred knowledge, she knows the correct creed from the false creed, and she is from the general Muslims or she is from the general Muslims, what is her answer to this question.
The questioner : By Allah, what is your answer? Do you have sacred culture or are you from the general Muslims? From the general Muslims, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So, may Allah bless you and her, someone like her cannot judge anyone, even if it is her husband, that he is first a scholar, and second a scholar who acts upon his knowledge, and third and finally, is he upon the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the way of the Rightly Guided Caliphs and the rest of the honored Companions? She cannot make such a judgment. And upon her, as He (Glorified and Exalted is He) said:[An-Nahl 16:43], she, for example, now if you or someone else directed a question to her, and thereby directed the same question to her husband, do you see if she knows the Prophetic answer that he explained to the Muslims? If it were said to her, for example, and she is before you, if it were said to her, “Where is Allah?” Do you know the answer as that maidservant knew? If she knows, then after that comes the question to her husband: does he know or does he not know this clear and explicit question? It will become clear to her if she is as she testified that she is a noble and righteous woman, and I hope that she is so. Why did you not ask her this question?
The questioner : Not yet, my Shaykh, our conversation has not been long.
The Shaykh : No problem, ask her now.
The questioner : Where is Allah? The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asked a maidservant.
The Shaykh : No problem, leave the details.
The questioner : Yes, where is Allah? The questioner: The woman said, "The dung indicates the camel, and the tracks indicate the traveler. Should not this universe indicate its Creator?"
The questioner : Yes, where is Allah... where is He? Where is the existence of Allah?
The Shaykh : Is He in every place?
The questioner : Is He in every place, or is He in the sky? The questioner: Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) rose above the Throne.
The questioner : Yes, what does "rose above" mean? The questioner: The manner of His rising is unknown, and asking about it is a religious innovation.
The questioner : You did well.
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, you were wrong.
The questioner : I made a mistake.
The Shaykh: It is known.
The questioner : Please, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : The rising above is not unknown. The rising above is known linguistically, and it is being high. As for the how, that is the unknown.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, you said that she was wrong, and I was wrong with her.
The Shaykh : Yes, that is it.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Okay, so her husband says, as Allah (Mighty and Majestic) says, that He rose above the Throne and that He is above all created things.
The questioner : Does your husband say this? The questioner: Yes, of course.
The questioner : Yes, you say this, that he says this.
The Shaykh : Okay, his message that was printed and published, does she have knowledge of it?
The questioner : Yes, she has knowledge of it, she says.
The Shaykh : Okay, is it filled with disbelief? Does she know that?
The questioner : That is, one of two things in which there are acts of disbelief that you know about. The questioner: ... .
The questioner : She says, “My Shaykh, there is not one in them that contains disbelief.”
The Shaykh : Okay, then let her bring you the message and we will mark the words for her, because now the problem has moved from her husband to her. The problem has moved from her husband to her.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So if she believes in everything in both messages, she needs to seek guidance from Allah (Mighty and Majestic) for herself first, and then for her husband second, because he claims in one of the messages, because I have not looked at both, he claims in it that he knows what all the Companions do not know, and he knows the unseen and the like of that, which is disbelief itself. So I ask her, in the context of religious advice, to come to you again with the two messages, and we will study them and put marks on some points. If she shares her husband in those words, then as I said earlier, she needs to seek guidance from Allah, as Allah said in the Holy Hadith narrated in "Sahih Muslim":Sahih Muslim 2577a And if she denies it, praise be to Allah, that is what we want. And at that time, she will know that her husband is first not a scholar from the scholars of the Muslims, second that his creed is ruin and desolation, and it is not permissible for her to believe his belief. This is all I have, and we ask Allah for guidance for us, for her, and for every Muslim to follow the correct Book and Sunnah.
The questioner: Our Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : She says, by what right do you declare this person a disbeliever?
The Shaykh : I have not declared him a disbeliever now. We have not yet reached that stage. May Allah guide us all. We say, let her bring the two messages, and we will put marks on those phrases that it is not permissible for a Muslim to speak. After that, we say, is he a Muslim? Is he a believer? Is he an open sinner? Is he a disbeliever? We do not judge by guessing. But if she is truthful in what she says, let her bring you the two messages soon. This is if she is sincere and wants guidance from Allah, as we think well of her. As for judging directly, “I declared him a disbeliever,” that is injustice and tyranny, and it should not come from a Muslim man or woman.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you, my Shaykh, and may Allah reward you with good. If Allah wills, there will be a continuation of the discussion, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : Do you have anything? Peace be upon you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Allah.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : She is the wife of Shaykh Yunus, Shaykh Ahmad 'Atiyyah, who is with us in al-Zarqa.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So, truly, my Shaykh, I wanted to advise her in some matters, because in our knowledge, as we have heard from you, this man has deviant matters and things that are not in accordance with the way of the Salaf.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So I said to the sister, I told her, “Do you swear to me by Allah, do you believe that what this brother Yunus does is right for him?” She said to me, “Yes, by Allah, I believe this about him.” So I said to her, “Who preceded him in this matter? Abu Bakr al-Siddiq or 'Umar or any one of the noble Companions who are closest to applying the Book and the Sunnah?”
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : So she was silent, but now, my Shaykh, even though your time is precious, she is listening to you now.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So she is close, meaning to the phone, and she is listening.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : Then, if Allah wills, we think that the truth is more worthy to be followed, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : So we want from the Shaykh some observations that you know about this man and his call that he brought.
The Shaykh : Okay, this woman, may Allah bless her, is cultured and educated.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : She is educated in the sacred knowledge, she knows the correct creed from the false creed, and she is from the general Muslims or she is from the general Muslims, what is her answer to this question.
The questioner : By Allah, what is your answer? Do you have sacred culture or are you from the general Muslims? From the general Muslims, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : So, may Allah bless you and her, someone like her cannot judge anyone, even if it is her husband, that he is first a scholar, and second a scholar who acts upon his knowledge, and third and finally, is he upon the way of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) and the way of the Rightly Guided Caliphs and the rest of the honored Companions? She cannot make such a judgment. And upon her, as He (Glorified and Exalted is He) said:
So ask the people of the message if you do not know.
فَاسْأَلُوا أَهْلَ الذِّكْرِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ لَا تَعْلَمُونَThe questioner : Not yet, my Shaykh, our conversation has not been long.
The Shaykh : No problem, ask her now.
The questioner : Where is Allah? The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) asked a maidservant.
The Shaykh : No problem, leave the details.
The questioner : Yes, where is Allah? The questioner: The woman said, "The dung indicates the camel, and the tracks indicate the traveler. Should not this universe indicate its Creator?"
The questioner : Yes, where is Allah... where is He? Where is the existence of Allah?
The Shaykh : Is He in every place?
The questioner : Is He in every place, or is He in the sky? The questioner: Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) rose above the Throne.
The questioner : Yes, what does "rose above" mean? The questioner: The manner of His rising is unknown, and asking about it is a religious innovation.
The questioner : You did well.
The Shaykh: No.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, you were wrong.
The questioner : I made a mistake.
The Shaykh: It is known.
The questioner : Please, our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : The rising above is not unknown. The rising above is known linguistically, and it is being high. As for the how, that is the unknown.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh, you said that she was wrong, and I was wrong with her.
The Shaykh : Yes, that is it.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Okay, so her husband says, as Allah (Mighty and Majestic) says, that He rose above the Throne and that He is above all created things.
The questioner : Does your husband say this? The questioner: Yes, of course.
The questioner : Yes, you say this, that he says this.
The Shaykh : Okay, his message that was printed and published, does she have knowledge of it?
The questioner : Yes, she has knowledge of it, she says.
The Shaykh : Okay, is it filled with disbelief? Does she know that?
The questioner : That is, one of two things in which there are acts of disbelief that you know about. The questioner: ... .
The questioner : She says, “My Shaykh, there is not one in them that contains disbelief.”
The Shaykh : Okay, then let her bring you the message and we will mark the words for her, because now the problem has moved from her husband to her. The problem has moved from her husband to her.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : So if she believes in everything in both messages, she needs to seek guidance from Allah (Mighty and Majestic) for herself first, and then for her husband second, because he claims in one of the messages, because I have not looked at both, he claims in it that he knows what all the Companions do not know, and he knows the unseen and the like of that, which is disbelief itself. So I ask her, in the context of religious advice, to come to you again with the two messages, and we will study them and put marks on some points. If she shares her husband in those words, then as I said earlier, she needs to seek guidance from Allah, as Allah said in the Holy Hadith narrated in "Sahih Muslim":
O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you
يا عبادي ، كلُّكم ضالٌّ إلا مَن هَدَيْتُه ؛ فاستهدوني أهدِكُمThe questioner: Our Shaykh.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner : She says, by what right do you declare this person a disbeliever?
The Shaykh : I have not declared him a disbeliever now. We have not yet reached that stage. May Allah guide us all. We say, let her bring the two messages, and we will put marks on those phrases that it is not permissible for a Muslim to speak. After that, we say, is he a Muslim? Is he a believer? Is he an open sinner? Is he a disbeliever? We do not judge by guessing. But if she is truthful in what she says, let her bring you the two messages soon. This is if she is sincere and wants guidance from Allah, as we think well of her. As for judging directly, “I declared him a disbeliever,” that is injustice and tyranny, and it should not come from a Muslim man or woman.
The questioner : May Allah preserve you, my Shaykh, and may Allah reward you with good. If Allah wills, there will be a continuation of the discussion, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : Do you have anything? Peace be upon you, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Allah.
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