Discussion on the implication of the hadith of Hudhayfah regarding the seclusion from sects when there is no Imam

The Shaykh : I say.
The student : Ah, go ahead.

The Shaykh : Do you remember the hadith?
The student : Perhaps you mean the hadith of Hudhayfah ibn al-Yaman, which ends with: ?

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : Ah, what is the intended meaning of it?

The Shaykh : I am only asking you what it indicates?
The student: No.

The Shaykh : It indicates jihad without a Caliph, not just an Amir now.
The student : It is fundamentally...

The Shaykh : The matter now in the Caliphate: does it indicate that jihad is to be conducted without a Caliph, or does it indicate that if there is no Caliph, one should seclude oneself from all the groups?
The student : No, you don't want that.

The Shaykh : Even if you were to bite the root of the tree.
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : Does it indicate this?
The student : No, you must link this hadith with other hadiths.

The Shaykh : I am only asking you: does it indicate this or not?
The student : By Allah, you want to use it as evidence for this viewpoint.

The Shaykh : I do not want to use it as evidence, I mean, you, you...
The student : What, what is it?

The Shaykh : I am telling you, this hadith, you remember it, so it has become apparent to you, not to me, that this situation where there is no Caliph...
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : That there are groups, and among them are groups, as is the reality today.
The student : Sects, not groups.

The Shaykh : As is the reality today, callers at the gates of Hellfire. So Hudhayfah asked the Messenger, what should he do? What did he command him?
The student : To leave them.
Another student: The hadith is in the context of jihad.

The Shaykh : I am asking you.
The student : No, the hadith is in the context of jihad, meaning the hadith, the hadith is narrated in the chapter of jihad.

The Shaykh : I am asking you, may Allah reward you, Hudhayfah asked...
The student : About jihad.

The Shaykh : And the Messenger answered, what did he answer with?
The student : Seclude yourself from all those sects.
The student : He was speaking about the sects, and the sects, he was not speaking about jihad at all.

The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar, I am only asking you what he was speaking about.
The student : Okay, what was he speaking about?

The Shaykh : My dear, Hudhayfah asked him...
The student : You are bringing this hadith in the context of our research, what is it, meaning the context in which this hadith is brought in the research of jihad and its obligation.

The Shaykh : I am in your presence, the hadith is in your mind, if you are not recalling it, you cannot build anything on it at all.
The student : Yes, I have the hadith in mind.

The Shaykh : I have the hadith in mind.
The student : Ah, I have the hadith in mind.

The Shaykh : Okay, the hadith does not contain that Hudhayfah asked the Messenger (peace be upon him) whether there is evil after this good, he answered in the affirmative, correct or not?
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : Then he answered that there will be callers at the gates of Hellfire, do you remember this?
The student : Ah, I remember.

The Shaykh : Okay, so he also asked in the context of these questions, what does he do, Hudhayfah, in this situation where there is smoke, and then there are groups speaking with our tongues, and so on , what does Hudhayfah do? He asks the Messenger (peace be upon him), the Messenger answered him immediately , do you remember this?
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : Good, if they do not have an Imam and a group.
The student : Of course, this...

The Shaykh : What did he say to him?
The student : .

The Shaykh : Good, now I am asking you, the descriptions that the Messenger (peace be upon him) mentioned to Hudhayfah, from the existence of good with smoke, and the existence of groups, callers at the gates of Hellfire, is this realized or not? Think about this... let us focus on this hadith truly.
The student : Yes.

The Shaykh : You cannot focus, first of all, except on this, you may add another hadith to it.
The student : It is the hadiths.

The Shaykh : I am saying, Professor, I am telling you, first of all, you cannot do anything except be with me focusing on this hadith.
The student : Good.

The Shaykh : Ah, after that you may bring a hadith.
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : But when do you bring these other hadiths? After finishing the understanding of this first hadith.
The student : Why? Why? Why did we choose to start with this hadith?

The Shaykh : Is it not a Prophetic hadith?
The student : For example, the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)...

The Shaykh : I am asking you, my brother, is it not a Prophetic hadith?
The student : Yes, correct.

The Shaykh : Is it not obligatory for you to understand it?
The student : First and before all hadiths?!

The Shaykh : Subhan Allah?! Now it is time to speak about this hadith.
The student : No, it is not necessary, it is not necessary, meaning it is possible... when we mention a hadith that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) said: .

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : .

The Shaykh: All right.
The student : Why don't we start with this hadith?

The Shaykh : And what is in this?
The student : It contains a Prophetic hadith.

The Shaykh : What is in it? What is its relation to the topic?
The student : That it encourages jihad, this hadith.

The Shaykh : And are we disagreeing on the encouragement of jihad?
The student : No, we are not disagreeing.

The Shaykh : So why are you bringing a hadith that has no relation to the research, we agree on it, why are you bringing a hadith that has a relation to a point in the research where there is no disagreement?
The student : Okay, and you brought a hadith that has no relation to the points of discussion...

The Shaykh : My dear, I told you just now, in Syria, the matter is not about being pushy, it is not about being stubborn, I am telling you, you brought this hadith because it has a connection to the topic, okay, you.
The student : Okay, and this hadith that you mentioned has a connection, we agree on it.

The Shaykh : Wait, wait for me, and you, as a provocation and pushiness, are bringing a hadith.
The student : No, there is no need for these words.

The Shaykh : Allow me.
The student : There is no need.

The Shaykh : There is a need, there is a need for frankness, this religion is advice, frankness, especially for some people, is necessary.
The student : Okay, I swear by Allah, I am coming to say that I am not... and all this...

The Shaykh : Allow me, allow me, I am not saying to you now that you are arguing, you are not arguing, I am saying when a person measures a hadith against a hadith like this, we say, just as you brought this, I brought that, and I prove to you, by your admission, that the hadith: has no relation to the discussion between you and me.
The student : Yes.