Discussion of the saying of Allah the Exalted: {And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, it is those who are the disbelievers}
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The Shaykh : The verse that is well-known today, which is raised by the group known in the past as the Group of Emigration and Declaring Disbelief, and known today as the group of Jihad, or the Mujahideen, in Egypt or elsewhere. What is the name of this group? [Al-Ma'idah 5:44] What is your ruling on a person who judges by a ruling that contradicts the Shari'ah? Is he a disbeliever?
The questioner : The ruler, you mean?
The Shaykh : I am asking you a question, and you are to answer it? May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Amen. Repeat the question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. He had an opportunity to do as he pleased, but I do not know if he is being harsh on our brothers... Listen, what is your opinion of a man who ruled in a government case contrary to what Allah revealed? Is he a disbeliever?
The questioner : I cannot rule on this, if he is a ruler...
The Shaykh : I am asking you now, and you are obligated to rule?
The questioner : How do you mean? For example, do I rule on one who abandons prayer? I do not understand the question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, you said you cannot rule.
The questioner : I asked you about the ruler...
The Shaykh : Did you ask me?
The questioner : Yes, I asked you about the ruler...
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, IThe questioner : A man who ruled in a government contrary to the ruling of Allah the Mighty and Majestic, is he a disbeliever? IThe questioner : You are the one who must answer, saying he is a disbeliever or not, or I do not know.
The questioner :[Al-Ma'idah 5:44] .
The Shaykh : I am not answering.
The questioner : I tell you: Yes, the verse says:[Al-Ma'idah 5:44].
The Shaykh : My brother, may Allah guide you, I know the verse and I recited it to your ears, and you return to the same previous issue and tell me that this is one who abandons prayer, and I asked you about one who abandons prayer, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : No, I say regarding the same verse:[Al-Ma'idah 5:44] meaning: Yes, he is a disbeliever.
The Shaykh : I recited it to you, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : The explicit meaning of the verse is that he is a disbeliever, yes.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, I am asking you about the verse which I recited to your ears, and I built this question upon it: A man ruled in a case contrary to what Allah revealed, is he a disbeliever? Tell me the verse!
The questioner : I am not comprehending your question, I do not comprehend it.
The Shaykh : You were not able to comprehend it, do you know why? Because you do not have this level. You must know your state.
The questioner : Okay, never mind, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, you are the one who should say never mind, did you understand the question?
The questioner : I am asking you if you mean...
The Shaykh : I am asking you, did you understand the question? Say: Yes, or No, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : No, I did not understand.
The Shaykh : O Glorified is Allah! I have never heard you say Yes or No, except that you twist and turn and double up, did you understand the question?
The questioner : No, I did not understand it.
The Shaykh : Then how do you answer it?!
The questioner : I told you I did not comprehend your question.
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : I said, O Shaykh, I did not understand the question.
The Shaykh : You said it, were you not the one who read the verse to me and told me it is disbelief? Or was it someone else?
The questioner : Yes, I said it,[Al-Ma'idah 5:44].
The Shaykh : Then what is this contradiction? All the contradiction comes from heat that is not restrained by knowledge, and I repeat to you: Did you understand the question?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : How do you answer then? Now I develop the question: A man ruled in two governments contrary to what Allah revealed, is there a difference between this second one and the first?
The questioner : They all did not rule by what Allah revealed, no.
The Shaykh : There is no difference, is there a judge who cannot rule even once in his time contrary to what Allah revealed?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Then they are all disbelievers.
The questioner : We cannot rule that they are disbelievers.
The Shaykh : Did you manage to do it! Did you rule? Because you did not distinguish between two men, because you thought that you would distinguish, I wanted to lead you to Abu Riqab, does he admit that Islam has passed and ended, and that this fasting and these sacrifices and moneys must be saved, wa wa, and so on, do you distinguish between a person who ruled once contrary to what Allah revealed, followed his desire, followed his lust, feared harm, and so on, you say this is disbelief? And between another person who repeated the case a second time, and one who constantly tells you he rules contrary to what Allah revealed, do you not distinguish between all these examples?
The questioner : I distinguish.
The Shaykh : You distinguish?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Let us take the smaller number, what is the difference between number one and number two?
The questioner : Number one and number two, as if he made a mistake, once in his life, for example, he did not rule by what Allah revealed.
The Shaykh : You are repeating my words to me, may Allah reward you with good, I am asking you what is the difference?
The questioner : The first one made a mistake and that one...
The Shaykh : What is the difference regarding disbelief and not being a disbeliever?
The questioner : This one affirms ruling by what Allah revealed and made a mistake in its implementation, and that one does not affirm it at all.
The Shaykh : Who told you that? Did I say that to you like that? May Allah guide you, you have a necessary question.
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل الله فأولئك هم الكافرونThe questioner : The ruler, you mean?
The Shaykh : I am asking you a question, and you are to answer it? May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Amen. Repeat the question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. He had an opportunity to do as he pleased, but I do not know if he is being harsh on our brothers... Listen, what is your opinion of a man who ruled in a government case contrary to what Allah revealed? Is he a disbeliever?
The questioner : I cannot rule on this, if he is a ruler...
The Shaykh : I am asking you now, and you are obligated to rule?
The questioner : How do you mean? For example, do I rule on one who abandons prayer? I do not understand the question.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, you said you cannot rule.
The questioner : I asked you about the ruler...
The Shaykh : Did you ask me?
The questioner : Yes, I asked you about the ruler...
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, IThe questioner : A man who ruled in a government contrary to the ruling of Allah the Mighty and Majestic, is he a disbeliever? IThe questioner : You are the one who must answer, saying he is a disbeliever or not, or I do not know.
The questioner :
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل الله فأولئك هم الكافرونThe Shaykh : I am not answering.
The questioner : I tell you: Yes, the verse says:
And whoever does not judge by what
ومن لم يحكم بما ...The Shaykh : My brother, may Allah guide you, I know the verse and I recited it to your ears, and you return to the same previous issue and tell me that this is one who abandons prayer, and I asked you about one who abandons prayer, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : No, I say regarding the same verse:
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers.
ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل الله فأولئك هم الكافرونThe Shaykh : I recited it to you, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : The explicit meaning of the verse is that he is a disbeliever, yes.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you, I am asking you about the verse which I recited to your ears, and I built this question upon it: A man ruled in a case contrary to what Allah revealed, is he a disbeliever? Tell me the verse!
The questioner : I am not comprehending your question, I do not comprehend it.
The Shaykh : You were not able to comprehend it, do you know why? Because you do not have this level. You must know your state.
The questioner : Okay, never mind, O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : No, you are the one who should say never mind, did you understand the question?
The questioner : I am asking you if you mean...
The Shaykh : I am asking you, did you understand the question? Say: Yes, or No, may Allah guide you.
The questioner : No, I did not understand.
The Shaykh : O Glorified is Allah! I have never heard you say Yes or No, except that you twist and turn and double up, did you understand the question?
The questioner : No, I did not understand it.
The Shaykh : Then how do you answer it?!
The questioner : I told you I did not comprehend your question.
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : I said, O Shaykh, I did not understand the question.
The Shaykh : You said it, were you not the one who read the verse to me and told me it is disbelief? Or was it someone else?
The questioner : Yes, I said it,
And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed
ومن لم يحكم بما أنزل اللهThe Shaykh : Then what is this contradiction? All the contradiction comes from heat that is not restrained by knowledge, and I repeat to you: Did you understand the question?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : How do you answer then? Now I develop the question: A man ruled in two governments contrary to what Allah revealed, is there a difference between this second one and the first?
The questioner : They all did not rule by what Allah revealed, no.
The Shaykh : There is no difference, is there a judge who cannot rule even once in his time contrary to what Allah revealed?
The questioner: No.
The Shaykh : Then they are all disbelievers.
The questioner : We cannot rule that they are disbelievers.
The Shaykh : Did you manage to do it! Did you rule? Because you did not distinguish between two men, because you thought that you would distinguish, I wanted to lead you to Abu Riqab, does he admit that Islam has passed and ended, and that this fasting and these sacrifices and moneys must be saved, wa wa, and so on, do you distinguish between a person who ruled once contrary to what Allah revealed, followed his desire, followed his lust, feared harm, and so on, you say this is disbelief? And between another person who repeated the case a second time, and one who constantly tells you he rules contrary to what Allah revealed, do you not distinguish between all these examples?
The questioner : I distinguish.
The Shaykh : You distinguish?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : Let us take the smaller number, what is the difference between number one and number two?
The questioner : Number one and number two, as if he made a mistake, once in his life, for example, he did not rule by what Allah revealed.
The Shaykh : You are repeating my words to me, may Allah reward you with good, I am asking you what is the difference?
The questioner : The first one made a mistake and that one...
The Shaykh : What is the difference regarding disbelief and not being a disbeliever?
The questioner : This one affirms ruling by what Allah revealed and made a mistake in its implementation, and that one does not affirm it at all.
The Shaykh : Who told you that? Did I say that to you like that? May Allah guide you, you have a necessary question.
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