You mentioned, our Shaykh, that were it not for the texts of the Shari'ah, we would not have believed in the existence of the jinn, such as the Ghoul, even though you have authenticated many hadiths that mention the Ghoul. How is this to be understood?
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Mashhur: You mentioned, our Shaykh... the texts of the Shari'ah in the Book and the Sunnah... a myth that it... a question about matters you authenticated in the book of al-Tirmidhi's hadith... and likewise a hadith he mentions, and likewise a hadith from seven or eight of the Companions with this wording.
The Shaykh : Here, but you know, may Allah reward you, that the Ghoul today, if it is mentioned, is like the Rukh, meaning it has a specific nature and description. As for that...
Mashhur: ... like folk tales.
The Shaykh : Yes
Mashhur: Meaning you deny it, it is a common understanding.
The Shaykh : As for the Ghoul whose mention came, as you graciously noted, in some of the hadiths, it is the jinn, it is the jinn.
Mashhur: ... Iblis is the sorcerer of the jinn.
The Shaykh : The sorcerer of the jinn, meaning just as it is said that the sorcerer of the humans is a human, he is he. Yes.
The Shaykh : Here, but you know, may Allah reward you, that the Ghoul today, if it is mentioned, is like the Rukh, meaning it has a specific nature and description. As for that...
Mashhur: ... like folk tales.
The Shaykh : Yes
Mashhur: Meaning you deny it, it is a common understanding.
The Shaykh : As for the Ghoul whose mention came, as you graciously noted, in some of the hadiths, it is the jinn, it is the jinn.
Mashhur: ... Iblis is the sorcerer of the jinn.
The Shaykh : The sorcerer of the jinn, meaning just as it is said that the sorcerer of the humans is a human, he is he. Yes.