Continuing the discussion on ruqyah.

The Shaykh : Doctor, doctor, oh doctor, if you would allow me, for Allah's sake, a point. Your imam, on an occasion like this, tells you: be silent and remember.

The questioner : Who?

The Shaykh : Your imam, the one you know, your engineer imam, he remembers, right? On an occasion like this he tells you: be silent; because it is more comfortable for you, continue your conversation with the doctor.

The questioner : ... and these are not the real white blood cells!

Another questioner : The red ones?

The questioner : Mostly, the red blood cells.

Another questioner : ... .

The questioner : ... Poisons are of two types. There is a type of poison that enters the blood and attacks the red blood cells, and there is a type of poison that travels to the nerves. Therefore, the nature of these poisons and their effectiveness in killing the afflicted person depends on their type, is that not so? As for us, we return to a real scientific matter, which is that it is a capacity in the poison to affect the nerve and kill the person, or the capacity of the poison to affect the blood, liquefy it, and end the person's life as a result; this is a scientific fact. We are discussing the matter in which our Shaykh excelled; these people who enter the narration of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) are the first to enter without reckoning, is that not so, sir?

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : Do you see, sir? That these are the ones who do not perform ruqyah; is that not so, sir?

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : So how do you scientifically explain the capacity of these people to not even attempt to go and seek treatment; meaning they do not think of seeking treatment; no, sir, is that not so, sir?

The Shaykh : There is a detail, doctor, but let us see where you want to reach with Shaykh Ali.

The questioner : Therefore ... scientifically you can [apply] the verse.

Another questioner : It has no interpretation!!

The questioner : No problem, no problem.

Another questioner : This is entirely up to the imam.

The questioner : No, Abu Ahmad said here, and the Shaykh agreed with him, that there is no contradiction between a Shari'ah fact and a cosmic medical fact, cosmic, let us not say medical, you want the scientific fact ... its medical reality.

Another questioner : It has become a fact.

Another questioner : It is not a theory.

The questioner : ... The situation, the situation is relative.

The Shaykh : With respect to medicine.

The questioner : Allow me, any scientific fact, even Einstein's "theory" has been there.

Another questioner : There has been a modification.

The questioner : Any scientific fact, with time and the belief of people among the scholars in it at a certain time that it is a correct fact without dispute, the matter remains relative; because you do not know after a period of time what might happen, people change ... their view of it.

Another questioner : ... Scientific facts differ even ... .

The questioner : You cannot measure unless ... , if the fact ... and the explanation ... in a specific matter is consistent with the scientific fact, then you say: perhaps we will adopt it ... .

The Shaykh : In any case, let us stay with Shaykh Ali; because it appears that the word about which Abu Ahmad asked me and I agreed with him, and Shaykh Ali is going around it; it appears that it is not clear to you.

The questioner: Go ahead.

The Shaykh : The previous sentence does not mean that if science does not prove a Shari'ah fact, there is a contradiction between the scientific fact and the Shari'ah fact ... .