Clarification that there is no necessary connection between scientific truth and Shari'ah truth, with a discussion of the hadith of the fly that falls into a drink and the clarification of some truths
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The Shaykh : Scientific truth does not mean that a scientific truth agrees with Shari'ah truth, but a scientific truth that has become a fact, like what the doctor said that his opinion might change, that is a theory, not a scientific truth. Likewise, Shari'ah truth is a fixed Shari'ah truth; it is not possible for it to be one of the opinions where there is agreement on this Shari'ah truth. Here are two truths that cannot contradict each other at all. This is what we believe in, and you are with us in that. Your question, finally, when you returned to the word of Abu Ahmad and I agreed with it, the apparent meaning of your speech is that you are not with us in this understanding. You are with us on the basis that scientific truth must agree with Shari'ah truth, just as Shari'ah truth must agree with scientific truth; that is the meaning of your speech. Otherwise, if you are on the meaning you decided on finally, that there is no collision between them, it is not that science did not prove this scientific truth, there is no collision in it. All that is the case is, for example, the hadith of the fly Sunan an-Nasa'i 4262Hasan (Darussalam), and so on. No one can say that this contradicts science, but we say that science does not support it. And we say that the honor is ours, our Shari'ah knowledge suffices us to support it with acquired knowledge. So, the fact that medical science does not support the Shari'ah medical science, and its example is the hadith of the fly, does not mean that this contradicts the previous rule, because all that is the case is that experimental medical science has not reached the knowledge of this Shari'ah medical truth. It does not mean that there is a contradiction.
The questioner : I mean, there is nothing fixed in the Shari'ah that, by Allah, the fly... jurisprudentially... is it correct like that?
The Shaykh : It is not in the Shari'ah, it is in science.
The questioner : Yes, in science, I mean, is it... something new?
The Shaykh : They have not discovered this cause. I say that the hadith remains, despite the fact that many Muslim doctors have written articles, and those who write these articles, some of them due to their weak faith and some in defense of the Sunnah, and these are famous, yet there is still in the hadith of the fly a Shari'ah mystery that science has not reached, and perhaps experimental science will not reach the disclosure of it. If it does, that is light upon light. But if it does not, we do not doubt the hadith of our Prophet, why? Because there is no contradiction. All that is the case is that experimental science has not encompassed knowledge of this Prophetic knowledge. And so it is with all matters. All the matters for which we give examples, experimental medical science has not reached the disclosure of the secrets of these issues. And by way of benefit, in the hadith of the fly, those who defended the authenticity of the hadith said that if it is established in the fly something called bacteria... and I do not delve into what is not my specialty, on the basis of the one who sees the lesson in others, let him take a lesson! So, I do not delve into the details... but the thing they did not circle around at all and thought the experimental medical doubt had ended, no, because the hadith says that in one of its wings is a disease and in the other is a cure. Science has not discovered this, right, Doctor?
The questioner : ... it is not said in that. The truth is, a scientific research in foreign books has not described it at all. The scholars did not touch on that that there is, for example, a germ, and if these germs and their antidote meet, they destroy each other and the harm goes away.
The Shaykh : There is something more precise than this. First, in one of its wings is a disease and in the other is a cure. I read that the fly carries germs on its legs. It has bacteria, but the hadith attaches the matter to the wings. Then the more precise secret is that if it falls, it falls on the wing that has the disease, and therefore the command came to dip it, so that the cure mixes with the disease and the cure destroys the disease. But this medicine has not investigated the point at all... they are not disbelievers! Therefore, I believe in Allah and in what is authentic from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)... I do not care if medicine discovers this secret or does not discover it, and it will never discover it. I am a believer.
The questioner : This happened a week ago in a national newspaper. It said what we were talking about, meaning it mentioned the hadith of the fly, O my Shaykh, and started a discussion attacking the beard. He says that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)... with the intention of distinguishing from the distinction, while I am a nation of the Messenger of Allah, there were no shavers in these days. The first article in which they attacked the Shaykh's speech and said that this hadith is not certain in its authenticity, the hadith of the fly, and there is no doubt that the hadith is authentic.
The Shaykh : Who says that?
The questioner : ... Kamal al-Sharif defends his topic and says: that the hadith is not certain to be authentic.
The questioner : In our capacity as Muslims, we are not volunteers to open positions of this type between people who have taken less than this... it is obligatory that they accuse us that we... talk about the fly... perhaps what makes Shaykh Ali, I mean, I know... initially that this argument comes from the side of Shaykh Ali or from my side or the side of someone else... Shaykh Ali, and I hope he has the satisfying answer, so Shaykh Ali gives you an answer from what he knows from the Book and the Sunnah... Shaykh Ali, in a state where he rejects or adopts this idea just for the sake of discussion with you, not just belief in it, he assumes the character of the person who carries this idea, someone else... so he speaks it.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good for Ali, but you said earlier to him, if you are not speaking about yourself, I mentioned this speech!
The questioner : ... I mean, for example, he said the idea from the one you mentioned, that O my brother, the Noble Qur'an is in a clear Arabic language, and I am an Arab!
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : So I understand the Noble Qur'an, and then he just treats the Companions like us all. I said to him, what does[At-Takwir 81:17] mean, I mean, what does "a'sas" mean? He said, no, there are things I understand, why do you bring me a word that is not in common use now?
The Shaykh : I mean, now you treated him like Al-Albani treated the priest... you did not notice the story of Al-Albani with the priest.
If a fly falls into the vessel of one of you
إذا وقع الذباب في إناء أحدكمThe questioner : I mean, there is nothing fixed in the Shari'ah that, by Allah, the fly... jurisprudentially... is it correct like that?
The Shaykh : It is not in the Shari'ah, it is in science.
The questioner : Yes, in science, I mean, is it... something new?
The Shaykh : They have not discovered this cause. I say that the hadith remains, despite the fact that many Muslim doctors have written articles, and those who write these articles, some of them due to their weak faith and some in defense of the Sunnah, and these are famous, yet there is still in the hadith of the fly a Shari'ah mystery that science has not reached, and perhaps experimental science will not reach the disclosure of it. If it does, that is light upon light. But if it does not, we do not doubt the hadith of our Prophet, why? Because there is no contradiction. All that is the case is that experimental science has not encompassed knowledge of this Prophetic knowledge. And so it is with all matters. All the matters for which we give examples, experimental medical science has not reached the disclosure of the secrets of these issues. And by way of benefit, in the hadith of the fly, those who defended the authenticity of the hadith said that if it is established in the fly something called bacteria... and I do not delve into what is not my specialty, on the basis of the one who sees the lesson in others, let him take a lesson! So, I do not delve into the details... but the thing they did not circle around at all and thought the experimental medical doubt had ended, no, because the hadith says that in one of its wings is a disease and in the other is a cure. Science has not discovered this, right, Doctor?
The questioner : ... it is not said in that. The truth is, a scientific research in foreign books has not described it at all. The scholars did not touch on that that there is, for example, a germ, and if these germs and their antidote meet, they destroy each other and the harm goes away.
The Shaykh : There is something more precise than this. First, in one of its wings is a disease and in the other is a cure. I read that the fly carries germs on its legs. It has bacteria, but the hadith attaches the matter to the wings. Then the more precise secret is that if it falls, it falls on the wing that has the disease, and therefore the command came to dip it, so that the cure mixes with the disease and the cure destroys the disease. But this medicine has not investigated the point at all... they are not disbelievers! Therefore, I believe in Allah and in what is authentic from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)... I do not care if medicine discovers this secret or does not discover it, and it will never discover it. I am a believer.
The questioner : This happened a week ago in a national newspaper. It said what we were talking about, meaning it mentioned the hadith of the fly, O my Shaykh, and started a discussion attacking the beard. He says that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)... with the intention of distinguishing from the distinction, while I am a nation of the Messenger of Allah, there were no shavers in these days. The first article in which they attacked the Shaykh's speech and said that this hadith is not certain in its authenticity, the hadith of the fly, and there is no doubt that the hadith is authentic.
The Shaykh : Who says that?
The questioner : ... Kamal al-Sharif defends his topic and says: that the hadith is not certain to be authentic.
The questioner : In our capacity as Muslims, we are not volunteers to open positions of this type between people who have taken less than this... it is obligatory that they accuse us that we... talk about the fly... perhaps what makes Shaykh Ali, I mean, I know... initially that this argument comes from the side of Shaykh Ali or from my side or the side of someone else... Shaykh Ali, and I hope he has the satisfying answer, so Shaykh Ali gives you an answer from what he knows from the Book and the Sunnah... Shaykh Ali, in a state where he rejects or adopts this idea just for the sake of discussion with you, not just belief in it, he assumes the character of the person who carries this idea, someone else... so he speaks it.
The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good for Ali, but you said earlier to him, if you are not speaking about yourself, I mentioned this speech!
The questioner : ... I mean, for example, he said the idea from the one you mentioned, that O my brother, the Noble Qur'an is in a clear Arabic language, and I am an Arab!
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
The questioner : So I understand the Noble Qur'an, and then he just treats the Companions like us all. I said to him, what does
And by the night as it closes in
وَاللَّيْلِ إِذَا عَسْعَسَThe Shaykh : I mean, now you treated him like Al-Albani treated the priest... you did not notice the story of Al-Albani with the priest.