Some mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would say takbir and then prostrate, citing this as evidence for the prescription of takbir for prostration of recitation?
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The questioner: Shaykh, "Khaer al-Din al-Wanli".
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: In his book "Dala'il al-Khayrat".
Another questioner : ... .
The questioner: It says in the hadith that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) would say takbir and then prostrate.
The Shaykh: Is its name "Dala'il al-Khayrat" or "Adl al-Khayrat"?
The questioner: "Dala'il al-Khayrat" or?
The Shaykh: "Adl al-Khayrat".
The questioner: "Adl al-Khayrat"?
The Shaykh: "Dala'il al-Khayrat" follows the Sufis.
The questioner: "Adl al-Khayrat"...
The Shaykh: I think the one who named it "Adl al-Khayrat".
The Shaykh: Yes, what hadith did he bring?
The questioner: He brought the hadith that (peace and blessings be upon him) would say takbir and then prostrate.
The Shaykh : In the prayer?
The questioner : ...in the prayer.
The Shaykh: I think you are mistaken, it is not in the prayer.
The questioner: ... meaning ... As for the book, it is before us - if Allah wills - we will review it and see.
The Shaykh : Ah, good.
In any case, this hadith is weak and not authentic. I told you about it once before. This is from the narration of 'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar al-'Umrī, who is weak, unlike his brother 'Ubayd Allah ibn 'Umar al-'Umrī, who is trustworthy. Both of them narrated the hadith. Both of them say: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) would, when he recited a verse of prostration, prostrate." The first one, whose name is 'Abd Allah al-Mukabbir, says: He said takbir and prostrated.
The questioner: If we were to say, Shaykh: Since the hadith is weak, it means we can smell that there is takbir, unlike what you deny, that there is no takbir at all.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner: Well, Shaykh, he says that your Shaykh weakened many hadiths and then went back and reviewed them and authenticated them.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner: So here, these are hadiths where he did not take a position.
The Shaykh: Authenticate for us a hadith like this one, authenticate it for us so that we may reconsider.
The questioner: They say: The Shaykh weakened it, and others authenticated it.
The Shaykh: ... for this man: This hadith was weakened by the Shaykh, so they asked him to authenticate it.
Those present : [Everyone laughs!]
Another questioner : So...
Another questioner: Well, Professor, there are hadiths where I think a young man was reciting in front of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) from one of the surahs that contain a prostration, so he passed by it and did not prostrate, and they asked him why he did not prostrate? He said:; so he did not give a specific manner for the prostration; whether it has a specific background for the prostration, he did not give... this point, it is not considered that there is no specification for a specific manner of prostration?
The Shaykh: A wrong question, does it not indicate that there is no specific manner for the prostration?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: It is said: If he had prostrated, and your narration says he did not prostrate.
Another questioner: Yes, there is not...
The Shaykh: How do you want to take a manner from nothing? Rather, what is taken from this hadith, if it is authentic, is that prostration is not obligatory; because that one who recited did not prostrate; correct? So his not prostrating and the Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) approval of him indicated that prostration of recitation is not obligatory.
Another questioner: Yes.
The questioner: If it were obligatory...
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: In his book "Dala'il al-Khayrat".
Another questioner : ... .
The questioner: It says in the hadith that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) would say takbir and then prostrate.
The Shaykh: Is its name "Dala'il al-Khayrat" or "Adl al-Khayrat"?
The questioner: "Dala'il al-Khayrat" or?
The Shaykh: "Adl al-Khayrat".
The questioner: "Adl al-Khayrat"?
The Shaykh: "Dala'il al-Khayrat" follows the Sufis.
The questioner: "Adl al-Khayrat"...
The Shaykh: I think the one who named it "Adl al-Khayrat".
The Shaykh: Yes, what hadith did he bring?
The questioner: He brought the hadith that (peace and blessings be upon him) would say takbir and then prostrate.
The Shaykh : In the prayer?
The questioner : ...in the prayer.
The Shaykh: I think you are mistaken, it is not in the prayer.
The questioner: ... meaning ... As for the book, it is before us - if Allah wills - we will review it and see.
The Shaykh : Ah, good.
In any case, this hadith is weak and not authentic. I told you about it once before. This is from the narration of 'Abd Allah ibn 'Umar al-'Umrī, who is weak, unlike his brother 'Ubayd Allah ibn 'Umar al-'Umrī, who is trustworthy. Both of them narrated the hadith. Both of them say: "The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) would, when he recited a verse of prostration, prostrate." The first one, whose name is 'Abd Allah al-Mukabbir, says: He said takbir and prostrated.
The questioner: If we were to say, Shaykh: Since the hadith is weak, it means we can smell that there is takbir, unlike what you deny, that there is no takbir at all.
The Shaykh : ... .
The questioner: Well, Shaykh, he says that your Shaykh weakened many hadiths and then went back and reviewed them and authenticated them.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner: So here, these are hadiths where he did not take a position.
The Shaykh: Authenticate for us a hadith like this one, authenticate it for us so that we may reconsider.
The questioner: They say: The Shaykh weakened it, and others authenticated it.
The Shaykh: ... for this man: This hadith was weakened by the Shaykh, so they asked him to authenticate it.
Those present : [Everyone laughs!]
Another questioner : So...
Another questioner: Well, Professor, there are hadiths where I think a young man was reciting in front of the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) from one of the surahs that contain a prostration, so he passed by it and did not prostrate, and they asked him why he did not prostrate? He said:
If he had prostrated, we would have prostrated
لو سجد لَسجدناThe Shaykh: A wrong question, does it not indicate that there is no specific manner for the prostration?
Another questioner : ... .
The Shaykh: It is said: If he had prostrated, and your narration says he did not prostrate.
Another questioner: Yes, there is not...
The Shaykh: How do you want to take a manner from nothing? Rather, what is taken from this hadith, if it is authentic, is that prostration is not obligatory; because that one who recited did not prostrate; correct? So his not prostrating and the Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) approval of him indicated that prostration of recitation is not obligatory.
Another questioner: Yes.
The questioner: If it were obligatory...
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