The issue of how to dispose of usurious money.
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The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings. The ghusl is a means... correct.
The phone is ringing.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace
The questioner : e : My brother Nasser Muhammad Nasser
The Shaykh: Yes, yes.
The questioner : e : No problem, Shaykh, I am not busy.
The Shaykh: Please go ahead
The questioner : e : May Allah increase your virtue... I am asking you a question.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I am a girl, and I have kept with my father for six years.
The Shaykh: What did you do?
The questioner : e : Let me tell you, I am a girl.
The Shaykh: I understand, okay, then?
The questioner : e : With my father, for five years, my father put in the bank for me about twenty-five dinars.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : In the Housing Bank, do you see how it is, and he put it there for me.
The Shaykh : Ah
The questioner : e : I do not work and I do not bring in money; I take my allowance from my father. I am a girl in her father's house, still. These, my dear sir, are the moneys he put in with interest. We told him: interest is forbidden.
The Shaykh : Well done.
The questioner : e : Do you see how it is? He said: They employ them. I said to him: This is riba.
The Shaykh: That is correct.
The questioner : e : Do you see? The point is, they remained in the bank. I did not ask about them because, first, I do not need them, and second, I do not have them with me currently, like a card or something. I am not yet prepared to go and make a card, for an ID card or a civil status card, to go and withdraw them. Okay, I wanted to withdraw them a long time ago, just twenty-five dinars, no more.
Very well.
The questioner : e : He put them from his own money, not from my labor or my money. My father is the one who placed them. My dear sir, a while ago, or a few days ago, they made a profit of one hundred dinars on them, meaning they put them in a competition.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : A competition, this is the luck they do.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : e : And is this profit that follows the situation forbidden or not? I mean: the one who waits, for example, waits for luck...?
The Shaykh: This is gambling.
The questioner : e : Ah, gambling, approximately?
The Shaykh: Exactly, not approximately. Exactly, it is gambling after this.
The questioner: Then I find one hundred dinars from such a number. The number of the draw that I put in the bank is my number. All the money has a number. They gave them the balance number, and also it wins one hundred dinars by the draw, a prize, meaning... And I say to my father, the parent, I say to him: I want to withdraw the twenty-five dinars, because it is not permissible, meaning, when the parent went to withdraw them, they said to him: No, the girl withdraws them. They are in the girl's name, these.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I did not go, this is first. And second, if you withdraw them, you do not give them to anyone. What do you want to distribute them? I said to him: Because it is riba. I do not take the one hundred dinars. Between me and them is Allah.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : e : Nor the interest that came to them... they are the workers in the bank. I take the twenty-five dinars. Ah, Professor.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I said to him: Father, I mean, we have a need to pay for home improvements, one hundred and forty dinars, one hundred and fifty dinars. By favor, meaning, give me the one hundred dinars and I will pay them for home improvements. Do you see how it is? I do not know, I cannot tell you, meaning, this is riba... forbidden. So how do I want to spend on this thing? I specifically want to know only from my brother Nasser, meaning, the money is not my money, it is my father's money, but he put it in my name, meaning: does a sin or mistake fall on me if my father takes the one hundred dinars?
The Shaykh: My advice to you is that you must take the one hundred dinars. You take from them the twenty-five that your father put as your capital, and the seventy-five dinars, you do not benefit from them, not even a single qirsh, but rather you spend them in public facilities.
The questioner : e : Meaning, for the poor?
The Shaykh: No, public facilities are not the poor. I mean: it is not permissible for individuals from the poor and the needy to benefit from this money. No, but rather public facilities, for example, if there is a place in a neighborhood or in a town or in a village that needs repair and paving of a road or drawing of water or something similar, from the matters in which the general public shares in the benefit, not specific individuals from the people. This permits you, in this state.
The questioner : e : ... and praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh: Listen, the Messenger said:Sahih Muslim 1598 the eater
The questioner : e : And his statement is sound.
The Shaykh: Of course, it is sound, because it is the statement of the noble Prophet.Al-Mustadrak lil-Hakim 15:4 So if you take the one hundred dinars and give the seventy-five to your father, you have eaten the riba.
The questioner : e : I want to stay away from doubtsSahih al-Bukhari 2051 , I say to him, meaning, I always talk to him with hadiths, I try, meaning, to establish it for him with certain things, I bring him evidence. He says to me: Okay, who do we want to leave them to the bank for, and we, for example, have the end of the year home improvements for the finance.
The Shaykh : No, it is not permissible.
The questioner : e : I said to him: I am not convinced, the increase that comes in.
The Shaykh: No, you clear yourself from the riba. Take your capital, as the Exalted said:[Al-Baqarah 2:279] . Just like that.
The questioner : e : May Allah reward you with all good. May Allah gather us, if Allah wills, all together in the Gardens of Bliss.
The Shaykh: You have done well. May Allah make you successful, if Allah wills.
The questioner : e : If Allah wills, peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The phone is ringing.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Peace be upon you
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace
The questioner : e : My brother Nasser Muhammad Nasser
The Shaykh: Yes, yes.
The questioner : e : No problem, Shaykh, I am not busy.
The Shaykh: Please go ahead
The questioner : e : May Allah increase your virtue... I am asking you a question.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I am a girl, and I have kept with my father for six years.
The Shaykh: What did you do?
The questioner : e : Let me tell you, I am a girl.
The Shaykh: I understand, okay, then?
The questioner : e : With my father, for five years, my father put in the bank for me about twenty-five dinars.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : In the Housing Bank, do you see how it is, and he put it there for me.
The Shaykh : Ah
The questioner : e : I do not work and I do not bring in money; I take my allowance from my father. I am a girl in her father's house, still. These, my dear sir, are the moneys he put in with interest. We told him: interest is forbidden.
The Shaykh : Well done.
The questioner : e : Do you see how it is? He said: They employ them. I said to him: This is riba.
The Shaykh: That is correct.
The questioner : e : Do you see? The point is, they remained in the bank. I did not ask about them because, first, I do not need them, and second, I do not have them with me currently, like a card or something. I am not yet prepared to go and make a card, for an ID card or a civil status card, to go and withdraw them. Okay, I wanted to withdraw them a long time ago, just twenty-five dinars, no more.
Very well.
The questioner : e : He put them from his own money, not from my labor or my money. My father is the one who placed them. My dear sir, a while ago, or a few days ago, they made a profit of one hundred dinars on them, meaning they put them in a competition.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : A competition, this is the luck they do.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : e : And is this profit that follows the situation forbidden or not? I mean: the one who waits, for example, waits for luck...?
The Shaykh: This is gambling.
The questioner : e : Ah, gambling, approximately?
The Shaykh: Exactly, not approximately. Exactly, it is gambling after this.
The questioner: Then I find one hundred dinars from such a number. The number of the draw that I put in the bank is my number. All the money has a number. They gave them the balance number, and also it wins one hundred dinars by the draw, a prize, meaning... And I say to my father, the parent, I say to him: I want to withdraw the twenty-five dinars, because it is not permissible, meaning, when the parent went to withdraw them, they said to him: No, the girl withdraws them. They are in the girl's name, these.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I did not go, this is first. And second, if you withdraw them, you do not give them to anyone. What do you want to distribute them? I said to him: Because it is riba. I do not take the one hundred dinars. Between me and them is Allah.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : e : Nor the interest that came to them... they are the workers in the bank. I take the twenty-five dinars. Ah, Professor.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : e : I said to him: Father, I mean, we have a need to pay for home improvements, one hundred and forty dinars, one hundred and fifty dinars. By favor, meaning, give me the one hundred dinars and I will pay them for home improvements. Do you see how it is? I do not know, I cannot tell you, meaning, this is riba... forbidden. So how do I want to spend on this thing? I specifically want to know only from my brother Nasser, meaning, the money is not my money, it is my father's money, but he put it in my name, meaning: does a sin or mistake fall on me if my father takes the one hundred dinars?
The Shaykh: My advice to you is that you must take the one hundred dinars. You take from them the twenty-five that your father put as your capital, and the seventy-five dinars, you do not benefit from them, not even a single qirsh, but rather you spend them in public facilities.
The questioner : e : Meaning, for the poor?
The Shaykh: No, public facilities are not the poor. I mean: it is not permissible for individuals from the poor and the needy to benefit from this money. No, but rather public facilities, for example, if there is a place in a neighborhood or in a town or in a village that needs repair and paving of a road or drawing of water or something similar, from the matters in which the general public shares in the benefit, not specific individuals from the people. This permits you, in this state.
The questioner : e : ... and praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh: Listen, the Messenger said:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) cursed the accepter of interest and its payer, and one who records it, and the two witnesses
لعن الله آكل الربا وموكله وكاتبه وشاهديهThe questioner : e : And his statement is sound.
The Shaykh: Of course, it is sound, because it is the statement of the noble Prophet.
May Allah curse the one who eats riba and the one who feeds it.
لعن الله آكل الربا وموكلهThe questioner : e : I want to stay away from doubts
Both legal and illegal things are obvious
الحلال بين والحرام بينThe Shaykh : No, it is not permissible.
The questioner : e : I said to him: I am not convinced, the increase that comes in.
The Shaykh: No, you clear yourself from the riba. Take your capital, as the Exalted said:
But if you repent, you may have your principal - [thus] you do no wrong, nor are you wronged.
وِإِنْ تُبْتُمْ فَلَكُمْ رُءُوسُ أَمْوَالِكُمْ لا تَظلَمُون ولا تُظلَمُونThe questioner : e : May Allah reward you with all good. May Allah gather us, if Allah wills, all together in the Gardens of Bliss.
The Shaykh: You have done well. May Allah make you successful, if Allah wills.
The questioner : e : If Allah wills, peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
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