The Shaykh spoke about the disagreement that occurred between the people of hadith and the Mu'tazilah.
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The Shaykh : Now, you know well that there is an old disagreement between those called the people of hadith and those called the Mu'tazilah.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you know this disagreement?
The questioner : Yes, there is a disagreement that actually exists.
The Shaykh : Very good. Can you mention even one issue? We are a satisfied group; we want just one issue from what the disagreement was about between the people of hadith, the people of the Sunnah, the four Imams at their head, and the Mu'tazilah on the other side. One issue?
The questioner : One issue, and this issue is very important, which is the issue of the Vision, for example.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : So the people of hadith, and most of the people of the Sunnah as well, affirmed it, and the Mu'tazilah did not affirm it.
The Shaykh : Very good. What is the argument of the Mu'tazilah in their denial of it?
The questioner : The argument of the Mu'tazilah in their denial of it is an argument that we can almost say is somewhat strong.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : Which is that they relied on the verse of His saying, the Exalted:[Al-An'am 6:103]
The Shaykh : Okay, and the argument of the people of the Sunnah?
The questioner : And the argument of the people of the Sunnah is[Al-Qiyamah 75:22-23] Faces on that Day
The Shaykh : Yes, yes. Is it strong or weak?
The questioner : This verse is strong, and this verse is strong.
The Shaykh : Strong or weak?
The questioner : Strong...
The Shaykh : But, but...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, and is yours strong too?
The questioner : Yours is strong too.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed. So there are two competing, contradictory strengths in the creed?
The questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Here we need to see which one we prefer...
The Shaykh : Have you seen it or not yet?
The questioner : And what does this verse indicate?
The Shaykh : Have you seen it or not yet?
The questioner : As for me, I have seen it.
The Shaykh : What did you see?
The questioner : I went to the school of the people of the Sunnah.
The Shaykh : Okay, and does the school of the Mu'tazilah remain strong?
The questioner : I say it is wrong.
The Shaykh : It is an error.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Then why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : He is mistaken, meaning they have a verse and they made a mistake.
The Shaykh : Why did you describe it, O brother of Islam?
The questioner : Why did you describe it?
The Shaykh : O brother of knowledge, if Allah wills, why did you describe the school of error as strong?
The questioner : They have an argument, but our argument is stronger than theirs.
The Shaykh : I am just asking you who is stronger now? We are done with that.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I am just asking you why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : I described it as strong because the first thing is that it is a verse in the Book of Allah.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed. I am asking you why you described it as strong when you do not believe in it.
The questioner : I do not believe in it, but I believe the one who speaks of it.
The Shaykh : Allah is the Greatest. May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you. We understood that you do not believe in it. Despite your not believing in it, why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : I describe it as strong, why would you describe it as weak? Now the man said, meaning that Allah is not seen, and he relied on a verse. I told him, no, your verse is not correct, and I told him, no.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : So tell him, understand the meaning of the verse.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : Yes, then I wish you would clarify to me how the question is, meaning...
The Shaykh : It is coming, it is coming, the clarification, but not in your way.
The questioner : He is doing well.
The Shaykh : Eastern and Western.
The questioner : And from you we benefit, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh[Al-An'am 6:153] Regarding your saying, in your description of the school of the Mu'tazilah as strong, did they take the sayings of their predecessors, first of all the Companions of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him)?
The questioner : (Peace and blessings be upon him). How were they, meaning...
The Shaykh : And I am speaking in Al-Albani, not in Arabic.
The questioner : No, the question, excuse me, meaning I want to answer, forget it...
The Shaykh : ... Please be attentive.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : The Mu'tazilah.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Did they take the sayings of their predecessors from the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding, above all, the creed, and among that, regarding what is part of the correct creed, which is the Vision of Allah in the Hereafter?
The questioner : Excuse me, but here, excuse me, I am asking a question, meaning...
The Shaykh : No, you have the right to ask, because you asked to clarify the question, and I clarified it for you.
The questioner : Well, that is good.
The Shaykh : So why do you return to want to ask? Answer the question.
The questioner : I, here, I cannot clarify, meaning...
The Shaykh : I did not ask for clarification.
The questioner : I cannot answer with the answer I want, why? Because I am not practiced in the school of the Mu'tazilah. Do you know if they take it or not, if they rely on it or not?
The Shaykh : Then how do you want to learn if you do not know?
The questioner : We want to benefit from you, we.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Say, if Allah wills, but strengthen it, just let it come out of your heart.
The questioner : ..
The Shaykh : Hehehe. Okay, let us change the question completely. If a verse comes to us like the verse you mentioned, and it has two aspects from the Arabic perspective, and there are reports from the righteous Salaf in determining one of the meanings, does this, in your knowledge, serve as a preference for one of the meanings or not?
The questioner : Meaning, excuse me, in order to understand exactly what you intend, in order to answer it, for example, a verse came in the Qur'an, this verse in language allows for several meanings.
Another questioner : A word from the verse, a linguistic word that came in the verse.
The questioner : Ah, in the verse it allows for several meanings, for example.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : The Companions and the Salaf and the Muslim scholars, meaning it was reported from them that they interpreted it with an interpretation, meaning appropriate, meaning they preferred one.
The Shaykh : Specific, meaning they took one of the two meanings.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is it permissible to contradict them?
The questioner : If the person has strong scientific capability, and there are people among them too, meaning if the Companions, if the same Companions have two meanings in it, then he has.
The Shaykh : Wait, wait.
Another questioner : ... One of the meanings, it is not that they took both meanings.
The questioner : So there is agreement on it, meaning, is it?
The Shaykh : O brother, may Allah guide you, you are asking, we are clarifying the question for you despite the clarification of the question.
The questioner : I asked you to clarify the question of the Mu'tazilah for me, and you did not clarify it for me.
The Shaykh : And what did I do? I presented the answer to you.
The questioner : You did not present anything to me.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you.
Ali: I answered you, but I told you I want to change the question.
The questioner: Yes...
Ali: You did not understand the first question.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
The questioner : I am not that I did not understand it, I told him I have no idea about it, meaning.
Another questioner : Now this is the same question but in another style.
The questioner : I wish he would give me the idea, we are coming, excuse me, meaning O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Hehehe.
The questioner : Excuse me, meaning now we need, we are coming on a specific topic, we do not want to stray from it.
Another questioner : No, if Allah wills, you have reached your topic, but... this question.
The Shaykh : The specific topic is what you are coming to.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : You are coming and imposing it as a premise.
The questioner : No.
Another questioner : But we informed you... that we are coming on a specific topic, he spoke to us, please go ahead.
The Shaykh : This is the specific topic: research in the creed.
The questioner : Yes.
Another questioner : On a topic, meaning from the creed, a specific topic.
The Shaykh : Yes, a specific topic in the creed.
Another questioner : Ah
The Shaykh : This specific topic in the creed requires agreed-upon preliminaries.
Another questioner : Related to this topic.
The Shaykh: He
Another questioner : A, a.
The Shaykh : And what am I saying?
Another questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : I am saying, O brother, this specific topic requires preliminaries that are agreed upon.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : For example, if one of the parties does not take the Sunnah, what is the benefit of entering into the specific topic?
Another questioner : No, but let us know the topic and then we put the premise for it.
The Shaykh : No, it is not up to you, the topic is up to me. When you want to raise a topic, neither you nor anyone else raises it as they please, and therefore the first thing I said when I started speaking was who wants to speak.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct or not?
The questioner : Yes, yes, correct.
The Shaykh : So I did not impose, but he started speaking. Now the topic has reached: if there is a verse that allows for two meanings and the Companions came with one of the meanings in interpreting the text, is it permissible to contradict them?
The questioner : No, it is not permissible to contradict the agreement of the Companions and the taking of the Companions as a whole on something...
The Shaykh : Very good. Now we are asking you, and this is the specific topic: Are you with the Companions regarding all of the creed?
The questioner : By Allah, if Allah wills, we see that, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : O brother, if Allah wills, if Allah wills, we all say if Allah wills. We are asking about the reality.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : We see that because...
The Shaykh : This is what we want, now, regarding what preceded, the presentation for it.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Do you know this disagreement?
The questioner : Yes, there is a disagreement that actually exists.
The Shaykh : Very good. Can you mention even one issue? We are a satisfied group; we want just one issue from what the disagreement was about between the people of hadith, the people of the Sunnah, the four Imams at their head, and the Mu'tazilah on the other side. One issue?
The questioner : One issue, and this issue is very important, which is the issue of the Vision, for example.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : So the people of hadith, and most of the people of the Sunnah as well, affirmed it, and the Mu'tazilah did not affirm it.
The Shaykh : Very good. What is the argument of the Mu'tazilah in their denial of it?
The questioner : The argument of the Mu'tazilah in their denial of it is an argument that we can almost say is somewhat strong.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : Which is that they relied on the verse of His saying, the Exalted:
Vision perceives Him not, but He perceives [all] vision
لا تدركه الأبصار وهو يدرك الأبصارThe Shaykh : Okay, and the argument of the people of the Sunnah?
The questioner : And the argument of the people of the Sunnah is
(22) [Some] faces, that Day, will be radiant, (23) Looking at their Lord.
وجوه يومئذٍ ناضرة إلى ربها ناظرةThe Shaykh : Yes, yes. Is it strong or weak?
The questioner : This verse is strong, and this verse is strong.
The Shaykh : Strong or weak?
The questioner : Strong...
The Shaykh : But, but...
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Okay, and is yours strong too?
The questioner : Yours is strong too.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed. So there are two competing, contradictory strengths in the creed?
The questioner : Yes?
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Here we need to see which one we prefer...
The Shaykh : Have you seen it or not yet?
The questioner : And what does this verse indicate?
The Shaykh : Have you seen it or not yet?
The questioner : As for me, I have seen it.
The Shaykh : What did you see?
The questioner : I went to the school of the people of the Sunnah.
The Shaykh : Okay, and does the school of the Mu'tazilah remain strong?
The questioner : I say it is wrong.
The Shaykh : It is an error.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Then why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : He is mistaken, meaning they have a verse and they made a mistake.
The Shaykh : Why did you describe it, O brother of Islam?
The questioner : Why did you describe it?
The Shaykh : O brother of knowledge, if Allah wills, why did you describe the school of error as strong?
The questioner : They have an argument, but our argument is stronger than theirs.
The Shaykh : I am just asking you who is stronger now? We are done with that.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : I am just asking you why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : I described it as strong because the first thing is that it is a verse in the Book of Allah.
The Shaykh : What Allah willed. I am asking you why you described it as strong when you do not believe in it.
The questioner : I do not believe in it, but I believe the one who speaks of it.
The Shaykh : Allah is the Greatest. May Allah guide you, may Allah guide you. We understood that you do not believe in it. Despite your not believing in it, why did you describe it as strong?
The questioner : I describe it as strong, why would you describe it as weak? Now the man said, meaning that Allah is not seen, and he relied on a verse. I told him, no, your verse is not correct, and I told him, no.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : So tell him, understand the meaning of the verse.
The Shaykh : Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : Yes, then I wish you would clarify to me how the question is, meaning...
The Shaykh : It is coming, it is coming, the clarification, but not in your way.
The questioner : He is doing well.
The Shaykh : Eastern and Western.
The questioner : And from you we benefit, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh
And, [moreover], this is My path, which is straight, so follow it; and do not follow [other] ways, for you will be separated from His way
وأن هذا صراطي مستقيما فاتبعوه ولا تتبعوا السبل فتفرّق بكم عن سبيلهThe questioner : (Peace and blessings be upon him). How were they, meaning...
The Shaykh : And I am speaking in Al-Albani, not in Arabic.
The questioner : No, the question, excuse me, meaning I want to answer, forget it...
The Shaykh : ... Please be attentive.
The questioner : Yes, yes.
The Shaykh : The Mu'tazilah.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Did they take the sayings of their predecessors from the Companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) regarding, above all, the creed, and among that, regarding what is part of the correct creed, which is the Vision of Allah in the Hereafter?
The questioner : Excuse me, but here, excuse me, I am asking a question, meaning...
The Shaykh : No, you have the right to ask, because you asked to clarify the question, and I clarified it for you.
The questioner : Well, that is good.
The Shaykh : So why do you return to want to ask? Answer the question.
The questioner : I, here, I cannot clarify, meaning...
The Shaykh : I did not ask for clarification.
The questioner : I cannot answer with the answer I want, why? Because I am not practiced in the school of the Mu'tazilah. Do you know if they take it or not, if they rely on it or not?
The Shaykh : Then how do you want to learn if you do not know?
The questioner : We want to benefit from you, we.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills.
The questioner : If Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Say, if Allah wills, but strengthen it, just let it come out of your heart.
The questioner : ..
The Shaykh : Hehehe. Okay, let us change the question completely. If a verse comes to us like the verse you mentioned, and it has two aspects from the Arabic perspective, and there are reports from the righteous Salaf in determining one of the meanings, does this, in your knowledge, serve as a preference for one of the meanings or not?
The questioner : Meaning, excuse me, in order to understand exactly what you intend, in order to answer it, for example, a verse came in the Qur'an, this verse in language allows for several meanings.
Another questioner : A word from the verse, a linguistic word that came in the verse.
The questioner : Ah, in the verse it allows for several meanings, for example.
The Shaykh : Yes, exactly.
The questioner : The Companions and the Salaf and the Muslim scholars, meaning it was reported from them that they interpreted it with an interpretation, meaning appropriate, meaning they preferred one.
The Shaykh : Specific, meaning they took one of the two meanings.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Is it permissible to contradict them?
The questioner : If the person has strong scientific capability, and there are people among them too, meaning if the Companions, if the same Companions have two meanings in it, then he has.
The Shaykh : Wait, wait.
Another questioner : ... One of the meanings, it is not that they took both meanings.
The questioner : So there is agreement on it, meaning, is it?
The Shaykh : O brother, may Allah guide you, you are asking, we are clarifying the question for you despite the clarification of the question.
The questioner : I asked you to clarify the question of the Mu'tazilah for me, and you did not clarify it for me.
The Shaykh : And what did I do? I presented the answer to you.
The questioner : You did not present anything to me.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you.
Ali: I answered you, but I told you I want to change the question.
The questioner: Yes...
Ali: You did not understand the first question.
The Shaykh : There is no power nor strength except with Allah.
The questioner : I am not that I did not understand it, I told him I have no idea about it, meaning.
Another questioner : Now this is the same question but in another style.
The questioner : I wish he would give me the idea, we are coming, excuse me, meaning O Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Hehehe.
The questioner : Excuse me, meaning now we need, we are coming on a specific topic, we do not want to stray from it.
Another questioner : No, if Allah wills, you have reached your topic, but... this question.
The Shaykh : The specific topic is what you are coming to.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : You are coming and imposing it as a premise.
The questioner : No.
Another questioner : But we informed you... that we are coming on a specific topic, he spoke to us, please go ahead.
The Shaykh : This is the specific topic: research in the creed.
The questioner : Yes.
Another questioner : On a topic, meaning from the creed, a specific topic.
The Shaykh : Yes, a specific topic in the creed.
Another questioner : Ah
The Shaykh : This specific topic in the creed requires agreed-upon preliminaries.
Another questioner : Related to this topic.
The Shaykh: He
Another questioner : A, a.
The Shaykh : And what am I saying?
Another questioner : Correct.
The Shaykh : I am saying, O brother, this specific topic requires preliminaries that are agreed upon.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : For example, if one of the parties does not take the Sunnah, what is the benefit of entering into the specific topic?
Another questioner : No, but let us know the topic and then we put the premise for it.
The Shaykh : No, it is not up to you, the topic is up to me. When you want to raise a topic, neither you nor anyone else raises it as they please, and therefore the first thing I said when I started speaking was who wants to speak.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh : Correct or not?
The questioner : Yes, yes, correct.
The Shaykh : So I did not impose, but he started speaking. Now the topic has reached: if there is a verse that allows for two meanings and the Companions came with one of the meanings in interpreting the text, is it permissible to contradict them?
The questioner : No, it is not permissible to contradict the agreement of the Companions and the taking of the Companions as a whole on something...
The Shaykh : Very good. Now we are asking you, and this is the specific topic: Are you with the Companions regarding all of the creed?
The questioner : By Allah, if Allah wills, we see that, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : O brother, if Allah wills, if Allah wills, we all say if Allah wills. We are asking about the reality.
The questioner : Yes.
The Shaykh: Okay
The questioner : We see that because...
The Shaykh : This is what we want, now, regarding what preceded, the presentation for it.
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