The Shaykh asked about the arguments of these people.
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The Shaykh : ... Come on, let us see. You, for the benefit of those present, as you say, bring up some of his lofty, exalted evidence. Start from the top, from the strongest evidence he has!
The questioner : ... In truth, I would prefer that Brother Ibrahim is the one asking...
The Shaykh : ... Fine, there is no objection.
The questioner : ... I am introducing you to Brother Ibrahim. In truth, Brother Ibrahim is a Master's student in hadith, and his thesis is titled... well, the title in his mind is the rules of critique in the science of hadith, the rules of critiquing the text in...
The Shaykh : ... Critiquing the text, yes.
The questioner : ... And therefore, he is very interested, in truth, in the topics that Brother Abu Yasser raised. He has matters in his mind related to the topic from which we may benefit, if Allah wills!
The Shaykh : ... Come on, Master Ibrahim, if we give him his greatest argument and his greatest doubt regarding the people of the Sunnah and the community!
Another questioner : ... He means he divides hadith into two categories: the category of rulings, the hadith of rulings that pertain to religious obligations. I have not heard him speak about these.
The Shaykh : ... That is not our concern. Our concern is what we have heard?
Another questioner : ... He speaks about the hadith of reports.
The Shaykh: All right.
Another questioner : ... These are the hadith of reports. Whenever he sees that reason rejects it, his reason rejects this! And consequently... in general and in detail, yes...
Another questioner : ... In general and in detail... the matters of reportage about the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). He says he conducted a study and found that many, meaning the matters found in Sahih al-Bukhari, in Musnad Ahmad, in the books of hadith, exist with the same texts in the holy books of the Jews and the Christians!
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
Another questioner : ... And therefore, he says that the Muslims took them from the People of the Book, to be more precise in the expression, because for him the Muslims are excellent: first the Mu'tazilah, then the Ibadis, then the Zaydis!
The Shaykh : ... What Allah willed! What Allah willed!
The questioner : ... And the most misguided people are the Imami Shi'ah and the people of the Sunnah, and perhaps the people of the Sunnah are the most misguided for him!
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : ... So he claims that the Muslims took them from the Jews and the Christians because of the agreement. He says, rather, I found in Hodayah, one of the books of Hodayah, which is not from the main books of the Torah, a phrase that exists exactly in the books of the people of the Sunnah. And therefore, once he showed me a book about the Dajjal, he said to me, come, let me read to you about the Dajjal from al-Suyuti. I do not know if al-Suyuti has a book on the Dajjal or the descent of 'Isa!
The Shaykh : ... He has the descent of 'Isa by al-Suyuti!
The questioner : ... He said, I read the speech, then... I read the speech... We believe in much of what we have read, meaning... I read from Hodayah or, meaning, from the books of the Christians. So this point, in truth, we want to hear a response from the professor on it. Is it necessarily!
Another questioner : ... It is not evidence. The speech you mentioned is not evidence...
The questioner : ... I have, and it is a speech on which he establishes the evidence that he does not trust the rules of the science of al-jarh wa al-ta'dil. Meaning, this speech you said is not evidence. Any person can say this, there is similarity and such!
Another questioner : ... He says, for example, Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), his hadiths are not accepted at all, because he was a student of Ka'b al-Ahbar, so he takes from Ka'b in general and in detail, and he does not know what he says! And likewise from Ibn 'Umar and Ibn 'Abbas, because he is from the students of Ka'b al-Ahbar. Then he distorts the Torah, like the hadith of the Book of Genesis...
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
Another questioner : ... Meaning, this is nonsense...
The Shaykh : ... Listen, everyone, are you hearing this speech? This is what we are asking him, and I am saying that he does not answer it at all. From where did he know that Ka'b al-Ahbar was from the students of Abu Hurayrah, or that Ka'b al-Ahbar was a student of Abu Hurayrah? From where did he know!
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ... He cannot. Ah! He cannot answer, but this answer comes from you, not from him, because when he says... yes.
The questioner : ... This is what he argues with, that you say. Meaning, you, the people of the Sunnah, say such information!
The Shaykh : ... What information!
The questioner : ... You say Ka'b al-Ahbar, Abu Hurayrah is his student!
The Shaykh : ... And what does he say?
The questioner : ... He believes us!
The Shaykh : ... It is a double, my brother. We are not saying that Ka'b al-Ahbar is a student of Abu Hurayrah, or that Abu Hurayrah is a student of Ka'b al-Ahbar, but we believe that some of the Companions, and it may be that Abu Hurayrah is among them, took from those who embraced Islam from the People of the Book.
The questioner : ... In truth, I would prefer that Brother Ibrahim is the one asking...
The Shaykh : ... Fine, there is no objection.
The questioner : ... I am introducing you to Brother Ibrahim. In truth, Brother Ibrahim is a Master's student in hadith, and his thesis is titled... well, the title in his mind is the rules of critique in the science of hadith, the rules of critiquing the text in...
The Shaykh : ... Critiquing the text, yes.
The questioner : ... And therefore, he is very interested, in truth, in the topics that Brother Abu Yasser raised. He has matters in his mind related to the topic from which we may benefit, if Allah wills!
The Shaykh : ... Come on, Master Ibrahim, if we give him his greatest argument and his greatest doubt regarding the people of the Sunnah and the community!
Another questioner : ... He means he divides hadith into two categories: the category of rulings, the hadith of rulings that pertain to religious obligations. I have not heard him speak about these.
The Shaykh : ... That is not our concern. Our concern is what we have heard?
Another questioner : ... He speaks about the hadith of reports.
The Shaykh: All right.
Another questioner : ... These are the hadith of reports. Whenever he sees that reason rejects it, his reason rejects this! And consequently... in general and in detail, yes...
Another questioner : ... In general and in detail... the matters of reportage about the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). He says he conducted a study and found that many, meaning the matters found in Sahih al-Bukhari, in Musnad Ahmad, in the books of hadith, exist with the same texts in the holy books of the Jews and the Christians!
The Shaykh : What Allah willed.
Another questioner : ... And therefore, he says that the Muslims took them from the People of the Book, to be more precise in the expression, because for him the Muslims are excellent: first the Mu'tazilah, then the Ibadis, then the Zaydis!
The Shaykh : ... What Allah willed! What Allah willed!
The questioner : ... And the most misguided people are the Imami Shi'ah and the people of the Sunnah, and perhaps the people of the Sunnah are the most misguided for him!
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The questioner : ... So he claims that the Muslims took them from the Jews and the Christians because of the agreement. He says, rather, I found in Hodayah, one of the books of Hodayah, which is not from the main books of the Torah, a phrase that exists exactly in the books of the people of the Sunnah. And therefore, once he showed me a book about the Dajjal, he said to me, come, let me read to you about the Dajjal from al-Suyuti. I do not know if al-Suyuti has a book on the Dajjal or the descent of 'Isa!
The Shaykh : ... He has the descent of 'Isa by al-Suyuti!
The questioner : ... He said, I read the speech, then... I read the speech... We believe in much of what we have read, meaning... I read from Hodayah or, meaning, from the books of the Christians. So this point, in truth, we want to hear a response from the professor on it. Is it necessarily!
Another questioner : ... It is not evidence. The speech you mentioned is not evidence...
The questioner : ... I have, and it is a speech on which he establishes the evidence that he does not trust the rules of the science of al-jarh wa al-ta'dil. Meaning, this speech you said is not evidence. Any person can say this, there is similarity and such!
Another questioner : ... He says, for example, Abu Hurayrah (may Allah be pleased with him), his hadiths are not accepted at all, because he was a student of Ka'b al-Ahbar, so he takes from Ka'b in general and in detail, and he does not know what he says! And likewise from Ibn 'Umar and Ibn 'Abbas, because he is from the students of Ka'b al-Ahbar. Then he distorts the Torah, like the hadith of the Book of Genesis...
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
Another questioner : ... Meaning, this is nonsense...
The Shaykh : ... Listen, everyone, are you hearing this speech? This is what we are asking him, and I am saying that he does not answer it at all. From where did he know that Ka'b al-Ahbar was from the students of Abu Hurayrah, or that Ka'b al-Ahbar was a student of Abu Hurayrah? From where did he know!
The questioner : ... .
The Shaykh : ... He cannot. Ah! He cannot answer, but this answer comes from you, not from him, because when he says... yes.
The questioner : ... This is what he argues with, that you say. Meaning, you, the people of the Sunnah, say such information!
The Shaykh : ... What information!
The questioner : ... You say Ka'b al-Ahbar, Abu Hurayrah is his student!
The Shaykh : ... And what does he say?
The questioner : ... He believes us!
The Shaykh : ... It is a double, my brother. We are not saying that Ka'b al-Ahbar is a student of Abu Hurayrah, or that Abu Hurayrah is a student of Ka'b al-Ahbar, but we believe that some of the Companions, and it may be that Abu Hurayrah is among them, took from those who embraced Islam from the People of the Book.
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