Some mentioned that the hadith of Talq contains no evidence regarding the invalidation of wudu' by touching the private parts, because it was over a barrier.
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The questioner : Some mentioned that the hadith of Talq ibn 'Ali contains no evidence, because the questioner said, "A man touches his private parts in prayer," and this does not happen except over a barrier.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, the hadith is about touching his private parts in prayer.
The questioner : And this does not happen except over a barrier?
The Shaykh : Is it possible to touch with a barrier?
The questioner : Over a barrier in prayer.
The Shaykh : This is not called touching. With a barrier, it is touching the garment. But if you ask how that is, a person may need to scratch an itch or something similar, and this thing may occur.
The Shaykh : No, my brother, the hadith is about touching his private parts in prayer.
The questioner : And this does not happen except over a barrier?
The Shaykh : Is it possible to touch with a barrier?
The questioner : Over a barrier in prayer.
The Shaykh : This is not called touching. With a barrier, it is touching the garment. But if you ask how that is, a person may need to scratch an itch or something similar, and this thing may occur.