This is what we said, and you said it is the very essence of impossibility and that it is invalid. If we all agree that there is no Qur'an between us for Allah except like the House of Allah, that
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The Shaykh :"This is what we said, and you said it is the very essence of impossibility and that it is invalid"
They say: It is impossible that Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) speaks with speech that is heard, which Jibril hears and conveys to Muhammad. This is impossible. How is that? Because the Mu'tazilah, because the philosophers—my discussion is with the philosophers now—because the philosophers say that the Qur'an is an emanation from the Active Intellect and is not the speech of the Majestic and Honorable. And the Asha'irah say that speech is the meaning subsisting in the self of Allah, and as for these letters and sounds that Jibril heard, they are created. Yes, and for this reason they agreed that it is impossible for the Qur'an to be the speech of Allah.
"If we all agree that there is no Qur'an between us for Allah
except like the House of Allah"
And the House of Allah is created; it is not one of His attributes. Allah attributed it to Himself by way of honor and magnification.
"except like the House of Allah, that is the attribution of the *** created thing, not the attributes to the Lord of Worship.
So why this war between us *** with this agreement, and we are in accord?
If you refuse, we will yield, so you take your place *** with the doctrine of ascribing a body to Allah, in submission"
That is to say, if you refuse, we will yield, and you say that you are at war with us and we are not with you and not in your camp, so you take your place with whom? With the doctrine of ascribing a body to Allah, in submission. And that is the doctrine of the Salaf and the people of the Sunnah and the community.
They say: It is impossible that Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) speaks with speech that is heard, which Jibril hears and conveys to Muhammad. This is impossible. How is that? Because the Mu'tazilah, because the philosophers—my discussion is with the philosophers now—because the philosophers say that the Qur'an is an emanation from the Active Intellect and is not the speech of the Majestic and Honorable. And the Asha'irah say that speech is the meaning subsisting in the self of Allah, and as for these letters and sounds that Jibril heard, they are created. Yes, and for this reason they agreed that it is impossible for the Qur'an to be the speech of Allah.
"If we all agree that there is no Qur'an between us for Allah
except like the House of Allah"
And the House of Allah is created; it is not one of His attributes. Allah attributed it to Himself by way of honor and magnification.
"except like the House of Allah, that is the attribution of the *** created thing, not the attributes to the Lord of Worship.
So why this war between us *** with this agreement, and we are in accord?
If you refuse, we will yield, so you take your place *** with the doctrine of ascribing a body to Allah, in submission"
That is to say, if you refuse, we will yield, and you say that you are at war with us and we are not with you and not in your camp, so you take your place with whom? With the doctrine of ascribing a body to Allah, in submission. And that is the doctrine of the Salaf and the people of the Sunnah and the community.