Discussion regarding what was previously taken.
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The Shaykh : In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and may He send prayers upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and all his Companions.
It was previously explained that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) forbade the sale of the offspring of the offspring of the she-camel... Is the meaning the sale of it or its hire?
The student: The apparent meaning of the hadith is generality.
The Shaykh : What does the generality include?
The student: Sale and hire.
The Shaykh : Sale and hire, okay. What is the operative cause of the prohibition of its sale?
The student: Ignorance (uncertainty).
The Shaykh : Ignorance, okay. And what is the operative cause of the prohibition of its hire, Ya Shakir?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Also ignorance. Okay, and it was previously mentioned to us that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)Sunan Ibn Majah 2197Sahih (Darussalam), what is it, Ya 'Adil?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : What did we say about it?
The student: The offspring of what is in her womb, or the offspring of the she-camel...
The Shaykh : I mean, the apparent meaning of the hadith is to sell the offspring itself, yes, or the offspring of the offspring, is that right? Okay, and what was the interpretation given in the hadith, Ya Yasser?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, the one that was interpreted... the one found in the hadith itself.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No.
The student: ... the offspring of the offspring means what comes out of the she-camel's womb until she becomes pregnant, and this offspring is the one that...
The Shaykh : No, yes, Ya 'Abdullah.
The student: What is in the hadith... the offspring of the pregnant ones means the offspring of every...
The Shaykh : No, no, I want to ask about the interpretation that occurred in the hadith, not about the apparent meaning of the hadith.
The student: Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: He forbade the sale of the offspring of the pregnant one.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: The offspring that the she-camel produces, the she-camel produces a female...
The Shaykh : No, yes, Ya Yasser?
The student: ... the hadith... the price is deferred until the she-camel produces, or until what is in her womb produces.
The Shaykh : Yes, okay. So, the interpretation given to the hadith is that the sale did not take place on the offspring nor on the offspring of the offspring; the sale took place on something else, but it is deferred until when? Until the she-camel produces and what is in her womb produces. And we said that this is contrary to the apparent meaning of the hadith, but it has a point of view. So, it is summarized from the apparent meaning of the hadith and from what it was interpreted with into four cases, yes?
The student: The first case is the sale of the offspring of the she-camel.
The Shaykh : The sale of the offspring of the she-camel, this is one.
The student: Yes, the offspring of the offspring, this is the second case.
The Shaykh : The second case is the offspring of the offspring.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The student: The third case is deferring the price until the offspring of the she-camel produces...
The Shaykh : Okay, and the fourth?
The student: The fourth is the perpetual sale until the she-camel produces.
The Shaykh : Yes, Ya Ahmad?
The student: The third type is deferring the price until the she-camel produces and her offspring produces, and deferring the period until the she-camel produces and her offspring produces.
The Shaykh : Okay, meaning he says the first sale is deferring the sale, and the second is deferring the price. Okay, these are four cases. The wisdom in all of them is ignorance (uncertainty), and some of it is that it is non-existent. If we say the meaning is the sale of the offspring of the offspring, then this is a non-existent thing; it is not known whether it will be or not. Okay, then we take the new lesson now.
The student: The benefits.
The Shaykh : The benefits of the hadith, from the beginning?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ... Ibn 'Umar.
The Shaykh : Very well.
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the worlds, and may He send prayers upon our Prophet Muhammad, and upon his family and all his Companions.
It was previously explained that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) forbade the sale of the offspring of the offspring of the she-camel... Is the meaning the sale of it or its hire?
The student: The apparent meaning of the hadith is generality.
The Shaykh : What does the generality include?
The student: Sale and hire.
The Shaykh : Sale and hire, okay. What is the operative cause of the prohibition of its sale?
The student: Ignorance (uncertainty).
The Shaykh : Ignorance, okay. And what is the operative cause of the prohibition of its hire, Ya Shakir?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Also ignorance. Okay, and it was previously mentioned to us that the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him)
forbade selling Hablul-Habalah
نهى عن بيع حبل الحبلةThe student: ...
The Shaykh : What did we say about it?
The student: The offspring of what is in her womb, or the offspring of the she-camel...
The Shaykh : I mean, the apparent meaning of the hadith is to sell the offspring itself, yes, or the offspring of the offspring, is that right? Okay, and what was the interpretation given in the hadith, Ya Yasser?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No, the one that was interpreted... the one found in the hadith itself.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : No.
The student: ... the offspring of the offspring means what comes out of the she-camel's womb until she becomes pregnant, and this offspring is the one that...
The Shaykh : No, yes, Ya 'Abdullah.
The student: What is in the hadith... the offspring of the pregnant ones means the offspring of every...
The Shaykh : No, no, I want to ask about the interpretation that occurred in the hadith, not about the apparent meaning of the hadith.
The student: Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student: He forbade the sale of the offspring of the pregnant one.
The Shaykh : Yes?
The student: The offspring that the she-camel produces, the she-camel produces a female...
The Shaykh : No, yes, Ya Yasser?
The student: ... the hadith... the price is deferred until the she-camel produces, or until what is in her womb produces.
The Shaykh : Yes, okay. So, the interpretation given to the hadith is that the sale did not take place on the offspring nor on the offspring of the offspring; the sale took place on something else, but it is deferred until when? Until the she-camel produces and what is in her womb produces. And we said that this is contrary to the apparent meaning of the hadith, but it has a point of view. So, it is summarized from the apparent meaning of the hadith and from what it was interpreted with into four cases, yes?
The student: The first case is the sale of the offspring of the she-camel.
The Shaykh : The sale of the offspring of the she-camel, this is one.
The student: Yes, the offspring of the offspring, this is the second case.
The Shaykh : The second case is the offspring of the offspring.
The student: Yes.
The Shaykh : Very well.
The student: The third case is deferring the price until the offspring of the she-camel produces...
The Shaykh : Okay, and the fourth?
The student: The fourth is the perpetual sale until the she-camel produces.
The Shaykh : Yes, Ya Ahmad?
The student: The third type is deferring the price until the she-camel produces and her offspring produces, and deferring the period until the she-camel produces and her offspring produces.
The Shaykh : Okay, meaning he says the first sale is deferring the sale, and the second is deferring the price. Okay, these are four cases. The wisdom in all of them is ignorance (uncertainty), and some of it is that it is non-existent. If we say the meaning is the sale of the offspring of the offspring, then this is a non-existent thing; it is not known whether it will be or not. Okay, then we take the new lesson now.
The student: The benefits.
The Shaykh : The benefits of the hadith, from the beginning?
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ... Ibn 'Umar.
The Shaykh : Very well.