Explanation of the author's statement: "And both of them narrated from Ibn Mas'ud, traced to the Prophet: 'Whoever slaps his cheeks, tears his clothes, and calls out with the calls of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance is not one of us.'"

The Shaykh : But this exclusion does not mean absolute exclusion; rather, it means he is not one of us with regard to this specific act, just as he (peace and blessings be upon him) said: .
So, he is not one of us with regard to this act, because this act cannot be committed by a Muslim. And his statement: Does this include one who slaps his own cheek and one who slaps the cheek of another? It includes both? Yes, but I do not think that if a person is struck by a calamity, he slaps the cheek of another; rather, he slaps his own cheek. So, the generality here is intended to mean the specific. Likewise, If we took its generality, then everyone who slaps his cheek would not be from the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), and that is not the case, because what is intended by slapping the cheek is dissatisfaction with the calamity.
And his statement: The "jayb" is the collar of the shirt through which the head passes; this is the jayb, the collar through which the head passes; this is the jayb. And "tearing the jayb" is that a person, may Allah protect us, if he is struck by a calamity, grabs this jayb and tears it, out of dissatisfaction with this calamity and inability to bear what has befallen him.
The third is Here, two matters are in conflict: the first is the form of generality, and the second is the context. Do you understand? Two matters are in conflict here: the first is the form of generality. What is the form of generality? "Dawa al-Jahiliyyah" (the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance), a singular noun with an attribution. We have mentioned repeatedly that a singular noun with an attribution is general, or is it not?
The student: Yes.

The Shaykh : Okay, and the second is the context, because... and so on. This is the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. So, the Messenger (may Allah's prayers and blessings be upon him)... there are three categories: what relates to the body, what relates to the tongue, and what relates to clothing. What relates, meaning to the limbs, dissatisfaction of the limbs, dissatisfaction of the tongue, dissatisfaction relating to clothing, which is an act of the limbs. Tearing the jayb relates to clothing, the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance is with the tongue, and slapping the cheeks is with the limbs. He mentioned these three categories because they are mostly what occur during calamities. Otherwise, one who breaks pots and demolishes houses and so on during a calamity is the same, or for example, one who hits his children or hits his wife and so on is the same, because it is an act that indicates dissatisfaction. Which is more appropriate: to prioritize the generality in "the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance" or to prioritize the specificity by the context?
The student: ...

The Shaykh : Let us see. If we look at the context, we say that the specific is more appropriate, because the context of the speech defines the meaning. And if we look at the meaning in his statement then every call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance is disavowed by Islam, so it includes every call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. So, the call regarding lineage and tribalism and so on, all of it is from the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. And perhaps this is supported by the hadith before it, which is about disparaging lineage and wailing over the dead. So, the Messenger mentioned disparaging lineage along with wailing, which indicates that everything to which the pre-Islamic age of ignorance calls is included in the hadith. And this is the most correct and best; taking it as general is more appropriate, and the context does not restrict it, and it is supported by the preceding hadith. Okay, "the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance" is attributed to the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. Is the intended meaning of "al-Jahiliyyah" the people of ignorance, or is "al-Jahiliyyah" a concept, meaning: the call whose origin is ignorance? This is the apparent meaning: the call whose origin is ignorance. And among them are the calls of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance in their ignorance before Islam, so they are from the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance. By this, we know that these three matters are forbidden, or are they not?
The student: Forbidden.

The Shaykh : And are they from the major sins? And they are from the major sins, because the Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) does not disavow anything unless it is a major sin from the major sins, and it is not a trivial matter. This is present now, apparently, right? Tearing the jayb is present, and slapping the cheeks? Right? It is present now? And likewise, pulling out hair is present.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : Huh?
The student: ... the dust.

The Shaykh : Strange. Rolling in the dust?
The student: Rolling in the dust.

The Shaykh : Is this present?
The student: He is present.

The Shaykh : I seek refuge in Allah.
The student: Okay, O Shaykh ... all of it ... even slapping the cheeks and tearing the jayb?

The Shaykh : No, no, because if one slaps the cheek of his son, for example, to discipline him, we say you are prohibited from hitting the face, but it does not fall under this hadith.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : It does not reach the level of disavowal from it.
The student: Okay, and tearing the jayb?

The Shaykh : And tearing the jayb also, if a person tears his jayb because it is on his head.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : And likewise, if he tears ... another's, as an act of aggression, not for the sake of the calamity, it does not fall under the hadith.
The student: It does not fall under it.

The Shaykh : No, ... and okay, he said "I will ruin it for him" and went and tore his jayb, we say: this is aggression, but it does not fall under the hadith.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : No, no, this ...
The student: The call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance.

The Shaykh : But the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance, I told you that the first hadith supports it, because he said: So he paired disparaging lineage, and disparaging lineage is undoubtedly from the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance.
The student: The Messenger did not arrange these hadiths ...

The Shaykh : I do not intend that he mentioned this before that; my intention is that the Messenger paired something from the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance with something related to complaining and wailing, so it does not prevent his statement: from being general, whether it is the call of the pre-Islamic age of ignorance that they say during calamities or not.
The student: ...

The Shaykh : Yes, yes, yes.