The non-distinguishing child: If his father intends on his behalf, we say he should not carry him during the tawaf. So if he carries him, for whom is the tawaf?
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The questioner : We said that if the child does not distinguish and his guardian intends on his behalf, he should not carry him; otherwise, the tawaf is for the child if he carries him...
The Shaykh : If he intends.
The questioner : If he intends, but the observation is that many people do this thing.
The Shaykh : What do they do?
The questioner : They do this thing: they intend on his behalf and on their own, and they carry their children.
The Shaykh : Yes, we see that it is not valid for the child; the tawaf is valid for the carrier, not the carried.
The questioner : Meaning, he must be carried from another direction?
The Shaykh : Yes, from another direction, or if he finishes his tawaf, he carries him, or he has a second person walk with him.
The questioner : It is an important issue that requires...
The Shaykh : Important, yes. And the problem is that according to the madhhab, it is valid for the carried, not the carrier. That is the problem.
The questioner : This is more severe.
The Shaykh : Yes, this is more severe.
The questioner : And if the carrier intends?
The Shaykh : No, if he intends, we said that if the child distinguishes, he tells him to intend and carries him; there is no harm in that.
The questioner : And in the sa'y as well?
The Shaykh : Yes, and the sa'y is the same.
The Shaykh : If he intends.
The questioner : If he intends, but the observation is that many people do this thing.
The Shaykh : What do they do?
The questioner : They do this thing: they intend on his behalf and on their own, and they carry their children.
The Shaykh : Yes, we see that it is not valid for the child; the tawaf is valid for the carrier, not the carried.
The questioner : Meaning, he must be carried from another direction?
The Shaykh : Yes, from another direction, or if he finishes his tawaf, he carries him, or he has a second person walk with him.
The questioner : It is an important issue that requires...
The Shaykh : Important, yes. And the problem is that according to the madhhab, it is valid for the carried, not the carrier. That is the problem.
The questioner : This is more severe.
The Shaykh : Yes, this is more severe.
The questioner : And if the carrier intends?
The Shaykh : No, if he intends, we said that if the child distinguishes, he tells him to intend and carries him; there is no harm in that.
The questioner : And in the sa'y as well?
The Shaykh : Yes, and the sa'y is the same.