A student reported to Shaykh Al-Albani a position held by the officials in charge of endowments regarding the time of the true dawn
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The student : Our Shaykh told us that regarding the issue of the dawn.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : He came to me about ten years ago, or more, to my father’s house, which is Muhammad’s house.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : Ahmad Haliyyil, Ibrahim Zayd al-Kilani, and Izz al-Din Zayd al-Khatib, and these are people of the endowments.
The Shaykh: All right.
The student : To observe the dawn, because they had heard that Shaykh al-Salik says that when the mu'adhdhin calls to prayer, there is no dawn.
The Shaykh: Perfect.
The student : So they said: We want to go to the clouds. Shaykh Ahmad said to them: I am sick, and I had an operation, I cannot do it. But my father is one who knows the dawn, and so on, and you know it. They said: He has the experience, and so on, he will come with us.
The Shaykh: All right.
The student : So they went there. The Shaykh said: We stayed looking, waiting for the dawn. Then one of them stood up and said: This is the dawn, O Shaykh, look, how can you say there is no dawn?! He said: Glory be to Allah, for the first time I see the dawn coming from the north.
The Shaykh : Who said that?
The student : This is Muhammad al-Salik. He said to one of them when he said: It is the dawn, look, O Shaykh, and he was pointing to the north and saying: This is the dawn.
The Shaykh : Strange.
The student : So he said to him: This is the north. You are Bedouin boys, you do not know the directions, and so on. Wait now, I will show you the dawn. So they waited, and when the dawn appeared, he said to them: This is the dawn.
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The student : The dawn is not hidden from people, it is clear, and there. The day they saw it, then they came to the village from which they were observing, and ifThe Shaykh : Muhammad says: And if the people had already gone out, I said to them: How did you pray? We have only just seen the dawn now?!
The Shaykh: Allah is the Greatest!
The student : He said: The endowments told us, twenty-five minutes, twenty minutes, you establish the prayer.
The Shaykh : That is it!
The student : We follow this, he said to them: They are the ones who know the times, they are the ones to look at. And what did they say? They said: That is enough, call to prayer as you wish, and establish it as you wish. Then, when they did not go, or this one who said and pointed to the north, as if he was still affected, he said: Even we did not see the Shaykh’s dawn! So what did Shaykh Muhammad say to him?! He said: Then this is an argument against you, if my dawn, which is after your dawn by a period, you did not see it! So how did your dawn appear, which is before?
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The student : Then Shaykh Ahmad says to me: Leave me to, when they put the calendar.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : The calendar is the one we have in Jordan.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : He said that, meaning, Jordan used to, in the sixties, or something in the fifties, they used to take the Syrian calendar.
Another student: In the forties.
The student : Yes, so he said that, meaning, the country must have a calendar, and so on. So they came to Shaykh Ahmad and invited Ibrahim Zayd al-Kilani, Izz al-Din al-Khatib, and Ali 'Abnada, who is of the meteorology, and they came. He said: So Ali 'Abnada started explaining, and that the dawn is: a maritime dawn, a land dawn, a visible dawn, what is it? I said: Allahu Akbar, what is this dawn that Allah - Mighty and Majestic - made people worship with, and He said: meaning[Al-Baqarah 2:187] What is this talk they are talking about?! He said: After he finished, and so on, I said to them: O brothers, by Allah, the dawn is not up, and that you, look, you have seen, you do not observe the dawn, you do not watch the dawn?! Or Ibrahim Zayd al-Kilani said to him: No, we called in Sudan, and we called in Egypt, and so on, he said that there is the dawn, it will be up. He said: What business do you have with Sudan and Egypt, and so on? The dawn is clear, do you not know how to distinguish it?! They did not answer and they made the calendar based on it!
The Shaykh : The rays, not the rays, as usual there is a difference of a third of an hour.
The student: Yes.
Another student: Between us and them a calendar.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : Yes, correct.
The Shaykh : Meaning, if one prays a third of an hour before the sun rises, he will have prayed in the time, whereas according to the calendar, he will have prayed after the dawn has appeared.
The student : The sun, we did not tell the young men that the mosque of al-Taqwa, O Shaykh, the sun is in front of it.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : He came to me about ten years ago, or more, to my father’s house, which is Muhammad’s house.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : Ahmad Haliyyil, Ibrahim Zayd al-Kilani, and Izz al-Din Zayd al-Khatib, and these are people of the endowments.
The Shaykh: All right.
The student : To observe the dawn, because they had heard that Shaykh al-Salik says that when the mu'adhdhin calls to prayer, there is no dawn.
The Shaykh: Perfect.
The student : So they said: We want to go to the clouds. Shaykh Ahmad said to them: I am sick, and I had an operation, I cannot do it. But my father is one who knows the dawn, and so on, and you know it. They said: He has the experience, and so on, he will come with us.
The Shaykh: All right.
The student : So they went there. The Shaykh said: We stayed looking, waiting for the dawn. Then one of them stood up and said: This is the dawn, O Shaykh, look, how can you say there is no dawn?! He said: Glory be to Allah, for the first time I see the dawn coming from the north.
The Shaykh : Who said that?
The student : This is Muhammad al-Salik. He said to one of them when he said: It is the dawn, look, O Shaykh, and he was pointing to the north and saying: This is the dawn.
The Shaykh : Strange.
The student : So he said to him: This is the north. You are Bedouin boys, you do not know the directions, and so on. Wait now, I will show you the dawn. So they waited, and when the dawn appeared, he said to them: This is the dawn.
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The student : The dawn is not hidden from people, it is clear, and there. The day they saw it, then they came to the village from which they were observing, and ifThe Shaykh : Muhammad says: And if the people had already gone out, I said to them: How did you pray? We have only just seen the dawn now?!
The Shaykh: Allah is the Greatest!
The student : He said: The endowments told us, twenty-five minutes, twenty minutes, you establish the prayer.
The Shaykh : That is it!
The student : We follow this, he said to them: They are the ones who know the times, they are the ones to look at. And what did they say? They said: That is enough, call to prayer as you wish, and establish it as you wish. Then, when they did not go, or this one who said and pointed to the north, as if he was still affected, he said: Even we did not see the Shaykh’s dawn! So what did Shaykh Muhammad say to him?! He said: Then this is an argument against you, if my dawn, which is after your dawn by a period, you did not see it! So how did your dawn appear, which is before?
The Shaykh: Allahu Akbar.
The student : Then Shaykh Ahmad says to me: Leave me to, when they put the calendar.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : The calendar is the one we have in Jordan.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : He said that, meaning, Jordan used to, in the sixties, or something in the fifties, they used to take the Syrian calendar.
Another student: In the forties.
The student : Yes, so he said that, meaning, the country must have a calendar, and so on. So they came to Shaykh Ahmad and invited Ibrahim Zayd al-Kilani, Izz al-Din al-Khatib, and Ali 'Abnada, who is of the meteorology, and they came. He said: So Ali 'Abnada started explaining, and that the dawn is: a maritime dawn, a land dawn, a visible dawn, what is it? I said: Allahu Akbar, what is this dawn that Allah - Mighty and Majestic - made people worship with, and He said: meaning
until the white thread of dawn becomes distinct to you
حَتَّى يَتَبَيَّنَ لَكُمُ الْخَيْطُ الْأَبْيَضُ ..The Shaykh : The rays, not the rays, as usual there is a difference of a third of an hour.
The student: Yes.
Another student: Between us and them a calendar.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : Yes, correct.
The Shaykh : Meaning, if one prays a third of an hour before the sun rises, he will have prayed in the time, whereas according to the calendar, he will have prayed after the dawn has appeared.
The student : The sun, we did not tell the young men that the mosque of al-Taqwa, O Shaykh, the sun is in front of it.
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