Is the Torah and the Gospel the word of Allah, and what is the evidence for that?
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The questioner : Peace be upon you, and Allah’s mercy and blessings.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : Is he present?
The Shaykh : He is with you.
The questioner : Shaykh, if you please, is the Torah and the Gospel the word of Allah, and what is the evidence?
The Shaykh : If you are asking about the Torah and the Gospel that Allah revealed to Musa and Isa, there is no doubt about that. But if you are asking about the Torah and the Gospel that are circulating today in people's hands, that is not the case.
The questioner : The Torah and the Gospel that were in the time of Isa and Musa (peace be upon them both).
The Shaykh : I have already answered you.
The questioner : What is the evidence for this?
The Shaykh : It is the word of Allah, my brother. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, what is the evidence?
The Shaykh : Is your question a challenge, or is it a question to understand the ruling?
The questioner : To understand the ruling.
The Shaykh : Do you not know that there are many texts stating that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel?
The questioner : Yes, I know that.
The Shaykh : Is that sufficient for you as an answer?
The questioner : No, it is not sufficient for me.
The Shaykh : Why?
The questioner : Because it is possible that Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) revealed the Torah and the Gospel, but He created His speech as a creation.
The Shaykh : I know you now. Are you a Salafi in creed?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the creed of the Salaf regarding the speech of Allah?
The questioner : That the speech of Allah is not created.
The Shaykh : And you are saying that it is created.
The questioner : No, I do not say that. I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : Then what did you say just now? What did you say just now? "Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel." What did you say?
The questioner : It may have been revealed from Allah.
The Shaykh : My brother, a Muslim does not say "may be." This creed of "may be" implies doubt. A Muslim does not speak with "may be." Remove the word "may be." Repeat the question so that we can clarify your answer. Perhaps I misunderstood, or perhaps you mispronounced it. Do you not believe that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel? You said yes. Is that not sufficient as a text proving that it is the word of Allah? You said no. So we asked you why. Now repeat the answer.
The questioner : Because it is possible that He revealed something from Himself but did not speak it, meaning Allah sends us clouds and sends us rain, but they are not His attribute of speech.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. Did He send down clouds and rain, or did He send down the Torah and the Gospel? Just as He sent down al-Furqan and sent down the Qur'an. Did He send down the Qur'an?
The questioner : Yes, He sent down the Qur'an.
The Shaykh : And the Qur'an is the word of Allah.
The questioner : One hundred percent, without doubt.
The Shaykh : So what is the difference then between the sending down of the Qur'an and the sending down of the Gospel and the Torah?
The questioner : The difference is that there is evidence that the Qur'an is the word of Allah, and there is no evidence, to my knowledge, that the Torah and the Gospel are the word of Allah.
The Shaykh : Then, in my opinion, and Allah knows best, you are either misguided or you are astray.
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : And you did well in seeking refuge. Let us cooperate in good, if Allah wills. Call me tomorrow at this time so we can cooperate in good. I charge myself and I charge you to review the Qur'an. If you do not find evidence, we will present the evidence to you, if Allah wills.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : So do you agree with me to call me tomorrow and say, as a bearer of good news or a warner, "I have found the text that the Gospel and the Torah revealed to the heart of Musa and Isa is the word of Allah," or as a warner, "May Allah forbid, I do not find it"? Do you agree with me to call me tomorrow?
The questioner : Yes, Shaykh, I agree, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Then, peace be upon you.
The questioner : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Another questioner: Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner : How are you?
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah, I am well.
The questioner : Abu 'Aasim is speaking with you.
The Shaykh : Welcome, Abu 'Aasim.
The questioner : How is your health?
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you. How are you?
The questioner : May Allah bless you. Praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills, you are well.
The questioner : How is your health?
The Shaykh: Praise be to Allah, good.
The questioner : My dear brother.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : There are four young men, and 'Aasim is directing them. You have four or five manuscripts.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
The questioner : Is he present?
The Shaykh : He is with you.
The questioner : Shaykh, if you please, is the Torah and the Gospel the word of Allah, and what is the evidence?
The Shaykh : If you are asking about the Torah and the Gospel that Allah revealed to Musa and Isa, there is no doubt about that. But if you are asking about the Torah and the Gospel that are circulating today in people's hands, that is not the case.
The questioner : The Torah and the Gospel that were in the time of Isa and Musa (peace be upon them both).
The Shaykh : I have already answered you.
The questioner : What is the evidence for this?
The Shaykh : It is the word of Allah, my brother. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : Yes, what is the evidence?
The Shaykh : Is your question a challenge, or is it a question to understand the ruling?
The questioner : To understand the ruling.
The Shaykh : Do you not know that there are many texts stating that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel?
The questioner : Yes, I know that.
The Shaykh : Is that sufficient for you as an answer?
The questioner : No, it is not sufficient for me.
The Shaykh : Why?
The questioner : Because it is possible that Allah (Glorified and Exalted is He) revealed the Torah and the Gospel, but He created His speech as a creation.
The Shaykh : I know you now. Are you a Salafi in creed?
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What is the creed of the Salaf regarding the speech of Allah?
The questioner : That the speech of Allah is not created.
The Shaykh : And you are saying that it is created.
The questioner : No, I do not say that. I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : Then what did you say just now? What did you say just now? "Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel." What did you say?
The questioner : It may have been revealed from Allah.
The Shaykh : My brother, a Muslim does not say "may be." This creed of "may be" implies doubt. A Muslim does not speak with "may be." Remove the word "may be." Repeat the question so that we can clarify your answer. Perhaps I misunderstood, or perhaps you mispronounced it. Do you not believe that Allah revealed the Torah and the Gospel? You said yes. Is that not sufficient as a text proving that it is the word of Allah? You said no. So we asked you why. Now repeat the answer.
The questioner : Because it is possible that He revealed something from Himself but did not speak it, meaning Allah sends us clouds and sends us rain, but they are not His attribute of speech.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide you. Did He send down clouds and rain, or did He send down the Torah and the Gospel? Just as He sent down al-Furqan and sent down the Qur'an. Did He send down the Qur'an?
The questioner : Yes, He sent down the Qur'an.
The Shaykh : And the Qur'an is the word of Allah.
The questioner : One hundred percent, without doubt.
The Shaykh : So what is the difference then between the sending down of the Qur'an and the sending down of the Gospel and the Torah?
The questioner : The difference is that there is evidence that the Qur'an is the word of Allah, and there is no evidence, to my knowledge, that the Torah and the Gospel are the word of Allah.
The Shaykh : Then, in my opinion, and Allah knows best, you are either misguided or you are astray.
The questioner : I seek refuge in Allah.
The Shaykh : And you did well in seeking refuge. Let us cooperate in good, if Allah wills. Call me tomorrow at this time so we can cooperate in good. I charge myself and I charge you to review the Qur'an. If you do not find evidence, we will present the evidence to you, if Allah wills.
The questioner : May Allah reward you with good.
The Shaykh : So do you agree with me to call me tomorrow and say, as a bearer of good news or a warner, "I have found the text that the Gospel and the Torah revealed to the heart of Musa and Isa is the word of Allah," or as a warner, "May Allah forbid, I do not find it"? Do you agree with me to call me tomorrow?
The questioner : Yes, Shaykh, I agree, if Allah wills.
The Shaykh : Then, peace be upon you.
The questioner : And upon you be peace, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings.
Another questioner: Peace be upon you.
The Shaykh : And upon you be peace and the mercy of Allah.
The questioner : How are you?
The Shaykh : Praise be to Allah, I am well.
The questioner : Abu 'Aasim is speaking with you.
The Shaykh : Welcome, Abu 'Aasim.
The questioner : How is your health?
The Shaykh : May Allah preserve you. How are you?
The questioner : May Allah bless you. Praise be to Allah.
The Shaykh : If Allah wills, you are well.
The questioner : How is your health?
The Shaykh: Praise be to Allah, good.
The questioner : My dear brother.
The Shaykh: Go ahead.
The questioner : There are four young men, and 'Aasim is directing them. You have four or five manuscripts.
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