Continuation of the Debate: Ruling by Other Than What Allah Has Revealed as One of the Nullifiers of Islam

The questioner : Why is this issue being discussed? Why is ruling by other than what Allah has revealed considered one of the nullifiers of Islam?

The Shaykh : It is considered [so] by an unknown builder. The passive voice is used by scholars because the doer is known for the purpose of obscuring. So, my brother, express yourself clearly. When you say "it is considered," do you mean it is considered by you, or by the Muslims you are referring to?

The questioner : No, by the Muslims you are referring to.

The Shaykh: Yes.

The questioner : By the Muslims you are referring to.

The Shaykh : Fine. So, is it considered by them? What?

The questioner : Disbelief.

The Shaykh: And that is...

The questioner : Under the establishment of a law other than the law of Allah.

The Shaykh : My brother, it has become a turn for us. May Allah guide you and me. It has become a turn for us.
The student : What I see is that Shaykh Nasser and Brother Muhammad are correct. The research should continue, but they should reach what they want. Please, go ahead. No problem.
Another student: ... The brothers should choose one of them to speak, and he will continue the research to the end with the conclusion, with...The Shaykh : And if one person falls short, then he needs to clarify... Our Shaykh, another one...

The Shaykh : This is the organization, actually.
The student : ... But like this, everyone... it is problematic.

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : And everyone has evidence that looks [similar], and everyone understands from...The Shaykh : ...the form.

The Shaykh: Yes.
The student : So the issue is... everyone with his evidence, and one person understood, and one person did not understand the evidence, or he wants to bring another example that they did not understand...The Shaykh : ...or it was a mistake, or something like that... Choose one person only.
Another student: But it is possible, for example, that a person has evidence different from what Brother Muhammad has, and he presents this evidence. However, if Brother Muhammad finishes and then we start with another person, we might return to a point that has already been researched and concluded. But now, before Brother Muhammad finishes with his point, it may not be concluded for us. Therefore, we start with it, conclude it for everyone, and then move from this point to another.

The Shaykh : Okay, did it end with Professor Muhammad? Did it end?

The questioner : I have not finished.

The Shaykh : I am not asking you... I am asking you, did it end with Professor Muhammad?

The questioner: Yes.

The Shaykh : Did it end with Professor Muhammad Ra'fat?

The questioner : It ended in this issue. It ended in this one.
The student : If you allow me, choose one person, and we will discuss with one person.
Another student: The suggestion is good. Let Brother Muhammad continue.
Another student: Let him continue to the end, and you start from the beginning.
Another student: If the issue branches out.
Another student: Meaning the research ended...
Another student: Your suggestion is good, and we agree with it.
Another student: Let us pray Maghrib and continue after Maghrib.

The Shaykh : ... In my opinion, the example you cited has been researched and it was clarified that the category to which the example applies is not a disbeliever who has apostatized from his religion because he contradicted his belief, but because he denied his belief and his faith in Allah (Mighty and Majestic). If you have, may Allah have mercy on you, if you have another example that you think is suitable for an answer to our previous question, please present it.

The questioner: Yes ... .

The Shaykh : Good, please go ahead.