What is the authenticity of the hadith that states there are sunnahs of fitrah from 'Abd al-Muttalib that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) taught to 'Ali ibn Abi Talib?
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The questioner : It appeared in one of the newspapers, O our Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Under a headline that says: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, let me understand the headline... The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What does that mean?
The questioner : It is written in the newspaper.
The Shaykh : Do you understand what I mean...
The questioner : Among the things 'Abd al-Muttalib established in his life, the newspaper mentions some of these things.
The Shaykh : 'Abd al-Muttalib, I mean, he is the supervisor, I mean.
The questioner : Yes, yes, the supervisor.
The Shaykh : Okay, let's see.
The questioner : It says: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:.
The Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: حرم نساء الآباء على الأبناء ، فأنزل قوله - تعالى - : وَلَا تَنْكِحُوا مَا نَكَحَ آبَاؤُكُمْ He forbade the wives of fathers to their sons, so He revealed His saying (Glorified and Exalted is He): "And do not marry those [women] your fathers married." the verse.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shall we continue, O our Shaykh, or not?
The Shaykh : No, it is clear from the written text and its headline.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : This has no basis.
The questioner : It has no basis.
The Shaykh : But what was the writer aiming for?
The questioner : He is not explaining anything. It seems he is mentioning in that corner of the newspaper a hadith from Muslim or a hadith from someone else, and he mentions this sunnah because he says above: Imam Muslim narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) took 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) by the hand and showed him a place in al-Masjid al-Haram and said to him:. Then he mentioned a hadith, as if he wanted to entice the reader. He said: The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib. Then he connected it to his first statement and said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said.
The Shaykh : And then...
The questioner : After that, there is no explanation...
The Shaykh : He ended the topic after that.
The questioner : He ended the topic by stating that he was the one who wrote this and mentioning his name.
The Shaykh : ... this.
The questioner : They write, O our Shaykh, selections in a corner of this. I think it is on Friday. The newspaper has a page that is a religious page on Friday.
The student : ... .
The questioner : The newspaper always has a religious page on Friday, so some people write articles and such. Some of them select hadiths and narrations and mention them. He is not a student of knowledge or a researcher or one of the people of the Sunnah and so on, but he writes in this column. He is a Muslim who prays and is good, and so on, but in this column he writes these hadiths.
The Shaykh : Do you know him personally?
The questioner : No, no, I always read it, I mean.
The Shaykh: But I mean.
The questioner : Through our reading of it.
The Shaykh : Ah, this hadith, which he titled "The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib," as the scholars of hadith say, the signs of fabrication are apparent upon it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : From several aspects. First, there is a rule among the scholars of hadith that any hadith that begins with "O 'Ali" is not authentic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And I have not found in what I have encountered from the Sunnah anything that contradicts this rule except a narration in the hadith agreed upon by the two Shaykhs:Sahih Muslim 2404b. I found that in some narrations of this hadith, the vocative "O 'Ali" is present: As-Sunan al-Kubra lil-Nasa'i 61:61, and so on. As for the rule, it is consistent, meaning a person can be reassured that whenever he sees a hadith consistently beginning with "O 'Ali," he knows or recalls that it is not authentic. And between the fifth and finally, here it says: . It is a lie. . I would have wished he had left it to the line writer, or since... perhaps some of them know each other, that they ask this man where he took this hadith from.
The questioner : ... 'Ali, who wrote it.
The Shaykh : And he gave it this title: The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide him. This is a man who is completely ignorant. Anyway, let Abu Faris look into the issue of the hand placement, which you raised with Abu Ayyub. It was not me.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Correct.
The questioner : I said yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I said that one of your students, who is close to you, said: If the Shaykh would say that it is from the category of recommendation (mustahabb), and not say that it is an innovation (bid'ah) not to take from what exceeds a handful.
The Shaykh : We are talking about fabrication. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : The placement of the hands.
The Shaykh : It would be after the bowing (ruku').
The questioner : Ah, yes.
The student : ... .
The Shaykh : This is the lemon, this one.
The student: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What is this? Does it protect the stomachs, or is this its time?
The student : ... Do you like it?
The Shaykh : This, this...
The student : Blame, blame.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : We put it on the food.
The Shaykh: How.
The student : We put it on the food just as it is.
Another student: This is after it dries.
The Shaykh : It is not to be eaten, ah.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Under a headline that says: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said.
The Shaykh : Excuse me, let me understand the headline... The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : What does that mean?
The questioner : It is written in the newspaper.
The Shaykh : Do you understand what I mean...
The questioner : Among the things 'Abd al-Muttalib established in his life, the newspaper mentions some of these things.
The Shaykh : 'Abd al-Muttalib, I mean, he is the supervisor, I mean.
The questioner : Yes, yes, the supervisor.
The Shaykh : Okay, let's see.
The questioner : It says: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
O 'Ali, 'Abd al-Muttalib established in the pre-Islamic age of ignorance (jahiliyyah) five sunnahs which Allah made valid for him in Islam.
يا عليُّ ، إن عبد المطلب سَنَّ في الجاهلية خمس سنن أجراها الله له في الإسلامThe Shaykh: Yes.
The questioner: حرم نساء الآباء على الأبناء ، فأنزل قوله - تعالى - : وَلَا تَنْكِحُوا مَا نَكَحَ آبَاؤُكُمْ He forbade the wives of fathers to their sons, so He revealed His saying (Glorified and Exalted is He): "And do not marry those [women] your fathers married." the verse.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : Shall we continue, O our Shaykh, or not?
The Shaykh : No, it is clear from the written text and its headline.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : This has no basis.
The questioner : It has no basis.
The Shaykh : But what was the writer aiming for?
The questioner : He is not explaining anything. It seems he is mentioning in that corner of the newspaper a hadith from Muslim or a hadith from someone else, and he mentions this sunnah because he says above: Imam Muslim narrated that the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) took 'Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) by the hand and showed him a place in al-Masjid al-Haram and said to him:
This is the Station of Ibrahim.
هذا مقام إبراهيمThe Shaykh : And then...
The questioner : After that, there is no explanation...
The Shaykh : He ended the topic after that.
The questioner : He ended the topic by stating that he was the one who wrote this and mentioning his name.
The Shaykh : ... this.
The questioner : They write, O our Shaykh, selections in a corner of this. I think it is on Friday. The newspaper has a page that is a religious page on Friday.
The student : ... .
The questioner : The newspaper always has a religious page on Friday, so some people write articles and such. Some of them select hadiths and narrations and mention them. He is not a student of knowledge or a researcher or one of the people of the Sunnah and so on, but he writes in this column. He is a Muslim who prays and is good, and so on, but in this column he writes these hadiths.
The Shaykh : Do you know him personally?
The questioner : No, no, I always read it, I mean.
The Shaykh: But I mean.
The questioner : Through our reading of it.
The Shaykh : Ah, this hadith, which he titled "The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib," as the scholars of hadith say, the signs of fabrication are apparent upon it.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : From several aspects. First, there is a rule among the scholars of hadith that any hadith that begins with "O 'Ali" is not authentic.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : And I have not found in what I have encountered from the Sunnah anything that contradicts this rule except a narration in the hadith agreed upon by the two Shaykhs:
being unto me what Aaron was unto Moses but with this exception that there would be no prophet after me
أنت منِّي بمنزلة هارون من موسى ، غير أنه لا نبيَّ بعديO 'Ali, you are to me as Harun (Aaron) was to Musa (Moses).
يا عليُّ ، أنت منِّي بمنزلة هارون من موسىO 'Ali, 'Abd al-Muttalib did not seek divination by the arrows and did not worship idols.
يا عليُّ ، إنَّ عبد المطلب كان لا يستقسم بالأزلام ولا يعبد الأصنامAnd he did not eat what was slaughtered for the idols, and he said: I am upon the religion of my father Ibrahim (Abraham).
ولا يأكل ما ذبح على النصب ويقول : أنا على دين إبراهيمMy father Ibrahim.
أبي إبراهيمThe questioner : ... 'Ali, who wrote it.
The Shaykh : And he gave it this title: The Sunnahs of 'Abd al-Muttalib.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh : May Allah guide him. This is a man who is completely ignorant. Anyway, let Abu Faris look into the issue of the hand placement, which you raised with Abu Ayyub. It was not me.
The questioner : Yes, my Shaykh.
The Shaykh : Correct.
The questioner : I said yes.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The questioner : I said that one of your students, who is close to you, said: If the Shaykh would say that it is from the category of recommendation (mustahabb), and not say that it is an innovation (bid'ah) not to take from what exceeds a handful.
The Shaykh : We are talking about fabrication. May Allah guide you.
The questioner : The placement of the hands.
The Shaykh : It would be after the bowing (ruku').
The questioner : Ah, yes.
The student : ... .
The Shaykh : This is the lemon, this one.
The student: Yes, Shaykh.
The Shaykh : What is this? Does it protect the stomachs, or is this its time?
The student : ... Do you like it?
The Shaykh : This, this...
The student : Blame, blame.
The Shaykh : Yes.
The student : We put it on the food.
The Shaykh: How.
The student : We put it on the food just as it is.
Another student: This is after it dries.
The Shaykh : It is not to be eaten, ah.
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