The Shaykh Al-Albani's clarification that there are decisive indicators for declaring as disbelievers those who do not judge by what Allah has revealed
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The Shaykh: You agreed with us on this foundational principle, and I am summarizing the issue for you so that our disagreement is based on clarity. What do you say? We disagreed with the Shaykh. I am keen on agreement, not disagreement.
The questioner: Fine, your evidence is necessary.
The Shaykh: The matter is not about evidence for something we have already agreed upon. May Allah guide you. We are in agreement on the foundational principle in practical matters that indicate, by clear indication, that the disbeliever has committed doctrinal disbelief.
The questioner: Excuse me, the question now is: you have now included the one who slaughters for other than Allah, and you tell him this is disbelief, establishing the argument against him. Then, if he slaughters for other than Allah, he tells you, "My brother, I do not believe, I do not believe that slaughter is to be done for other than Allah, but I slaughtered for other than Allah, or prostrated to other than Allah."
The Shaykh: How do you mean you do not believe?
The questioner: He utters this phrase, meaning he resorts to a trick. He says, "I utter it." If you say this is shirk (associating partners with Allah) and establish the argument, he says, "I did not intend shirk."
The Shaykh: My brother, regarding the issue of the statement, we say there are decisive indicators, and you agree with me on this.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: And there are non-decisive indicators, and you agree with me on this as well. Why the argument?
The questioner: It is not an argument.
The Shaykh: I am asking you: you say there are decisive indicators for doctrinal disbelief, correct?
The questioner: And slaughter is among these decisive indicators.
The Shaykh: There is no power or might except with Allah, correct?
The questioner: Yes.
The questioner: Fine, your evidence is necessary.
The Shaykh: The matter is not about evidence for something we have already agreed upon. May Allah guide you. We are in agreement on the foundational principle in practical matters that indicate, by clear indication, that the disbeliever has committed doctrinal disbelief.
The questioner: Excuse me, the question now is: you have now included the one who slaughters for other than Allah, and you tell him this is disbelief, establishing the argument against him. Then, if he slaughters for other than Allah, he tells you, "My brother, I do not believe, I do not believe that slaughter is to be done for other than Allah, but I slaughtered for other than Allah, or prostrated to other than Allah."
The Shaykh: How do you mean you do not believe?
The questioner: He utters this phrase, meaning he resorts to a trick. He says, "I utter it." If you say this is shirk (associating partners with Allah) and establish the argument, he says, "I did not intend shirk."
The Shaykh: My brother, regarding the issue of the statement, we say there are decisive indicators, and you agree with me on this.
The questioner: Yes.
The Shaykh: And there are non-decisive indicators, and you agree with me on this as well. Why the argument?
The questioner: It is not an argument.
The Shaykh: I am asking you: you say there are decisive indicators for doctrinal disbelief, correct?
The questioner: And slaughter is among these decisive indicators.
The Shaykh: There is no power or might except with Allah, correct?
The questioner: Yes.
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