I said that sorcery has an effect, as in the story of Musa, but is not His saying, the Exalted: “They bewitched the eyes of the people and terrified them”

The questioner : Regarding what you said that sorcery has an effect, I told you that in the story of Musa, the magicians , so the verse explicitly states that they only bewitched the eyes of the people, meaning the sorcery was external and had no effect. That is what he meant.

The Shaykh : Yes, and what we stated based on the text of the Qur'an.

The questioner : Yes, praise be to Allah, meaning.

The Shaykh : What do I want now, what do I want, in the ignorance of the ignorant, since you have learned from the text of the Noble Qur'an that Musa was affected by the sorcery of the magicians , Allah supported him; had Allah not supported him, the story would have changed completely , and Allah gave him victory over Pharaoh and the magicians, and Allah guided the magicians through Musa, and they believed, as they said: From here we arrive at a verse in the Qur'an: What is it? .
The student : .

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The student : .

The Shaykh, this verse poses a problem for some people: how did our Lord send down two angels to teach people sorcery, and then say: “And they do not learn from them except what causes separation between a man and his wife”? So, did our Lord send down the two angels to teach people sorcery and use it as a means to separate spouses? No, the scholars of exegesis say: the wisdom behind sending down the two angels and teaching people sorcery is that in that time—and it is said that this is not authentic, but rather from the Isra'iliyyat, which must not be believed nor denied—that in the time of Yunus (peace be upon him), sorcery was a tool for controlling the masses, just as some politicians in many Arab countries now use certain means to gather the hearts of people around them, whether by truth or falsehood. So they exploited some magicians, like Pharaoh, without going far, to control the people. So Allah (Mighty and Majestic) sent down the two angels so that people would learn sorcery, and by learning sorcery, they would distinguish between sorcery, which is illusion and deception, as you said in some verse: and so on. So the two angels came down to teach people sorcery so that they would distinguish between sorcery, once they knew how sorcery is, and a miracle, like the miracle of Musa (peace be upon him), which is from Allah, because as it was said:
“I knew evil not for evil, but to avoid it; *** And whoever does not know evil falls into it from good.”
The student : From people.

The Shaykh : No, from good, to distinguish good from evil.
The student : And whoever does not know evil from good.

The Shaykh : Evil from good, falls into it. All of this is correct; this is poetry, and if we err in it, we are not held accountable. Yes, the point is: but the people who learned sorcery used sorcery for personal motives, so they began to separate a man from his wife. So the magicians now, their sorcery benefited them, why? Because when they saw the staff swallow what they fabricated, they said, “This is above our sorcery, this is from Allah and not like our deception.” Therefore they said: ; so this verse also has no basis whatsoever.
The student : So some of the exegetes ... .

The Shaykh : Negative, meaning.
The student : Not negative, as al-Qurtubi says; al-Qurtubi prefers this.

The Shaykh : How ... with his saying: This is affirmation, this is affirmation. This, Professor, is fleeing from illusions, because why did I address this issue? It is because it is difficult for people and great for them that Allah sends down two angels to teach people sorcery, and sorcery is false. But if you know the wisdom of the sending down, which we mentioned earlier, that difficulty is gone. Yes, so they learn from them what causes separation . Do you have anything else or not?
The student : May Allah reward you.

The Shaykh : May Allah reward you with good.