The second: that he claimed that what is meant by it is such-and-such for another meaning that the apparent text of the speech does not indicate.

The Shaykh :"The second is that he claimed that what is meant by it is such-and-such for another meaning that the apparent text of the speech does not indicate. And since it is known that specifying one of two meanings that are equal in probability is a statement without knowledge" It is a false statement, and what is the correct one? It is a statement. How is the news of "that"? Is it correct in your view? What does it say? It is speaking about Allah "speaking about Allah without knowledge. So what do you think of specifying the weaker meaning that contradicts the apparent text of the speech?" It is even more so. If specifying one of the two possible meanings is speaking about Allah without knowledge, what then? Specifying the weaker meaning is more emphatic than being a statement about Allah without knowledge.
"An example of this is the saying of Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He) to Iblis:

what prevented you from prostrating to that which I created with My hands?

مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَي

[Sad 38:75]

" What prevented you, even though Allah commanded him with this? "If the speech is diverted from its apparent meaning, and it is said: The hands were not intended to be the actual hands, but rather such-and-such was intended. We say: What is your evidence for what you denied? And what is your evidence for what you affirmed?" What did he deny? The hands. We say: What is the evidence that what is intended is other than the hands, even though the apparent text indicates that they are actual hands? Also, what is your evidence for what you affirmed, which is that what is intended by them is the blessings? If he brings forth evidence—and how could he do so?—otherwise, he is speaking about Allah without knowledge in his denial and what? And his affirmation. In his denial, that what is intended is the actual hands, and in his affirmation, that what is intended is the blessings.