Explanation of the Book of Purification-18

The Shaykh : Then the author said:
" And from Jabir (may Allah be pleased with him), he said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him and his family) said:

When two men relieve themselves

إذا تغوط الرجلان

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That is: they intended to relieve themselves. The original meaning of *ghayt* is the low-lying place on the earth; that is the original meaning. Then the term was transferred from that name to relieving oneself. The connection and relationship is that people in the past did not have latrines in their houses, so when they wanted to defecate, they went out to the low-lying places to relieve themselves.
So based on this, we say: means they intended to relieve themselves, that is, they intended to satisfy their needs. Relieving oneself is called that because it used to befall people in the past; otherwise, the original meaning of *ghayt* is the level place on the earth.
Now: *yitawarra* means: each one conceals himself from the other. Is this obligatory or recommended?
The student: Obligatory.

The Shaykh : No, it is not obligatory nor recommended. It is obligatory if it leads to exposing the *awrah*, and it is recommended if it does not lead to exposing the *awrah*, such that each of them turns his back to the other.
He said: They were prohibited from conversing, meaning: one of them speaks to the other.
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for God is angry with that

فإن الله يمقت على ذلك

Mishkat al-Masabih 356

Ahmad narrated it, and Ibn al-Sakan and Ibn al-Qattan authenticated it, but it is defective " :
His statement: *Miqat* is the strongest form of hatred.
That is: regarding this action, which is that two men sit facing each other to relieve themselves and converse.
The reason for the prohibition of that, if it involves exposing the *awrah*, is clear, because this is a bad state and a disliked posture.
And if it does not involve exposing the *awrah*, it is because if they start conversing, they will remain in that state for a long time, because conversation usually lasts a long time among people, and a person forgets the state he is in. Therefore, it became a cause for the hatred of Allah (Blessed and Exalted is He).