Explanation of the author's statement: It contains issues: The first: Believing the fortune-teller is incompatible with faith in the Qur'an.
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The Shaykh : Then the author said: "It contains issues: The first issue: That believing the fortune-teller is incompatible with faith in the Qur'an" Where is this taken from, Ya Husayn? Where is it taken from?
The student: From his saying:Jami` at-Tirmidhi 135Hasan (Darussalam).
The Shaykh :Sunan Ibn Majah 639Hasan (Darussalam) What is the basis for that, Mustafa?
The student: Because it contradicts the Qur'an.
The Shaykh : Because it contradicts the Qur'an, and contradicting [the truth] is among the greatest forms of disbelief. Good. "The second issue: The explicit statement that it is disbelief".
The student: From his saying:Jami` at-Tirmidhi 135Hasan (Darussalam).
The Shaykh : From his saying:Jami` at-Tirmidhi 135Hasan (Darussalam) Yes. "The third: Mentioning those for whom fortune-telling was done".
The student: The hadith of 'Imran ibn Husayn:.
The Shaykh : Good. How did he mention it? The author said: Mentioning those for whom fortune-telling was done.
The student: He is not one of us.
The Shaykh : Meaning that he is like the fortune-teller, similar to the disavowal from him, whether he did the fortune-telling or it was done for him. So he mentioned that he is like the fortune-teller in the Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) disavowal from him. "The fourth: Mentioning those for whom taking an omen was done".
The student:
The Shaykh : Yes. "The fifth: Mentioning those who were bewitched".
The student: Similarly.
The Shaykh : Like it. Good. Why did the author bring this, which may appear to a person as a simple matter? Mentioning those for whom fortune-telling was done, or who were bewitched, or for whom taking an omen was done.
The student: Because there may be a contradiction in it.
The Shaykh : Because there may be a contradiction, where it is said this is about fortune-tellers, this is about those who take omens, and this is about sorcerers. So he said: Whoever seeks to have that done for him is like them. What?
"The sixth: Mentioning those who learned Abajad" And as we said, there is a detail in this; it is not praised nor blamed except according to the state in which it occurs.
"The seventh: Mentioning the difference between the fortune-teller and the diviner" Let us see now that this issue has disagreement among the scholars, as you saw, from those who said that the diviner is the fortune-teller, here.
The student: There is no difference.
The Shaykh : So there is no difference between them. Whoever says that the diviner is the fortune-teller, there is no difference between them. And whoever says that the diviner is the one who infers knowledge of matters, meaning it is broader than the fortune-teller, what does he say? Then it is from the category of the general and the specific, and the difference between them is that the diviner is broader than the fortune-teller, because it includes the fortune-teller and others. And whoever says that the diviner is the one who infers matters through premises, and the fortune-teller is the one who informs about what is in the heart or about the unseen in the future, then the difference between them, what is it? I don't know, what is it?
The student: The diviner is broader.
The Shaykh : The one who says the diviner is the one who informs about matters through premises he infers, and the fortune-teller is the one who informs about what is in the heart or about the unseen in the future.
The student: Broader.
The Shaykh : Meaning the diviner is broader, or do we say the diviner is specific to the past and the fortune-teller to the future? This is the statement of al-Baghawi.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because he said: The stolen item and the place of the lost item, and the like of that. So it appears that it is about the past. In any case, we now have three opinions in this issue: either they are synonyms, or the relationship between them is generality and specificity, or they are mutually exclusive. Either they are synonyms, or mutually exclusive, or the relationship is generality and specificity. But there is no one who says that the fortune-teller is broader than the diviner; there is no one who says it this way.
The student: From his saying:
then he has disbelieved in what was revealed to
فقد كفر بما أنزل علىThe Shaykh :
or who goes to a fortuneteller and believes what he says, he has disbelieved in that which was revealed to Muhammad.
من أتى كاهنا فصدقه بما يقول فقد كفر بما أنزل على محمدThe student: Because it contradicts the Qur'an.
The Shaykh : Because it contradicts the Qur'an, and contradicting [the truth] is among the greatest forms of disbelief. Good. "The second issue: The explicit statement that it is disbelief".
The student: From his saying:
then he has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.
فقد كفر بما أنزل على محمدThe Shaykh : From his saying:
then he has disbelieved in what was revealed to Muhammad.
فقد كفر بما أنزل على محمدThe student: The hadith of 'Imran ibn Husayn:
He is not one of us who takes an omen or has an omen taken for him, or does fortune-telling or has fortune-telling done for him
ليس منا من تطير أو تُطير له أو تكهن أو تُكهن لهThe Shaykh : Good. How did he mention it? The author said: Mentioning those for whom fortune-telling was done.
The student: He is not one of us.
The Shaykh : Meaning that he is like the fortune-teller, similar to the disavowal from him, whether he did the fortune-telling or it was done for him. So he mentioned that he is like the fortune-teller in the Prophet's (peace and blessings be upon him) disavowal from him. "The fourth: Mentioning those for whom taking an omen was done".
The student:
Whoever takes an omen or has an omen taken for him
من تطير أو تطير لهThe Shaykh : Yes. "The fifth: Mentioning those who were bewitched".
The student: Similarly.
The Shaykh : Like it. Good. Why did the author bring this, which may appear to a person as a simple matter? Mentioning those for whom fortune-telling was done, or who were bewitched, or for whom taking an omen was done.
The student: Because there may be a contradiction in it.
The Shaykh : Because there may be a contradiction, where it is said this is about fortune-tellers, this is about those who take omens, and this is about sorcerers. So he said: Whoever seeks to have that done for him is like them. What?
"The sixth: Mentioning those who learned Abajad" And as we said, there is a detail in this; it is not praised nor blamed except according to the state in which it occurs.
"The seventh: Mentioning the difference between the fortune-teller and the diviner" Let us see now that this issue has disagreement among the scholars, as you saw, from those who said that the diviner is the fortune-teller, here.
The student: There is no difference.
The Shaykh : So there is no difference between them. Whoever says that the diviner is the fortune-teller, there is no difference between them. And whoever says that the diviner is the one who infers knowledge of matters, meaning it is broader than the fortune-teller, what does he say? Then it is from the category of the general and the specific, and the difference between them is that the diviner is broader than the fortune-teller, because it includes the fortune-teller and others. And whoever says that the diviner is the one who infers matters through premises, and the fortune-teller is the one who informs about what is in the heart or about the unseen in the future, then the difference between them, what is it? I don't know, what is it?
The student: The diviner is broader.
The Shaykh : The one who says the diviner is the one who informs about matters through premises he infers, and the fortune-teller is the one who informs about what is in the heart or about the unseen in the future.
The student: Broader.
The Shaykh : Meaning the diviner is broader, or do we say the diviner is specific to the past and the fortune-teller to the future? This is the statement of al-Baghawi.
The student: ...
The Shaykh : Because he said: The stolen item and the place of the lost item, and the like of that. So it appears that it is about the past. In any case, we now have three opinions in this issue: either they are synonyms, or the relationship between them is generality and specificity, or they are mutually exclusive. Either they are synonyms, or mutually exclusive, or the relationship is generality and specificity. But there is no one who says that the fortune-teller is broader than the diviner; there is no one who says it this way.